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Started by SheikYerbouti on Nov 15, 2018 10:02:19 AM
The Sopranos

I am nearing the end of Season 1 of this legendary series. It is not really doing it for me. I mean, I can see the upsides - its visibly well made and scripted, amazingly expressive performance from James Gandolfini. But at the same time, everyone's so hateful! The shrink is a wet lettuce, the other hoodlums are barely more than ciphers, and the other female characters in the show are all grasping, evil and stupid in varying proportions.

Is there a point sometime soon where the show really takes flight (as was the case with Breaking Bad for example) or is it just not for me?

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widenation - 15 Nov 2018 10:12:43 (#1 of 91)

There are characters you should sympathise with later on. I had a similar issue with 'Sons of Anarchy' - ie all the characters are total cunts.

helenskywalker - 15 Nov 2018 10:15:54 (#2 of 91)

We just finished the last ever episode (for the 3rd time) last night. I feel bereft. For me, it's the best telly I've ever seen. The characters really do develop and you also feel a weird and growing relationship to them, so might be worth persevering.

solomongursky - 15 Nov 2018 10:16:32 (#3 of 91)

Paulie Walnuts is ok. A bit coarse.

FrankieTeardrop - 15 Nov 2018 10:17:21 (#4 of 91)

The Sopranos, The Wire, Mad Men.

Still not seen anything that tops those three.

LomaxFairchild - 15 Nov 2018 10:18:03 (#5 of 91)

c.f. Gomorrah (the TV series) where all the characters are irredeemable. IMO, the characters in the Sopranos are more likeable. Worth watching for the Chrissie & Adrianna storyline at the very least.

Tagyourit - 15 Nov 2018 10:18:08 (#6 of 91)

Is there a point sometime soon where the show really takes flight

Definitely worth sticking with IMO, S2 is a huge improvement with the Big Pussy and Richie Aprile storylines.

Paulie Walnuts is ok

In a series where every character is, in some respects, a monster Paulie Walnuts is one of the worst.

SheikYerbouti - 15 Nov 2018 10:19:13 (#7 of 91)

Definitely worth sticking with IMO, S2 is a huge improvement with the Big Pussy and Richie Aprile storylines.

Ta, that's what I wanted to hear.

We just finished the last ever episode (for the 3rd time) last night. I feel bereft. For me, it's the best telly I've ever seen. The characters really do develop and you also feel a weird and growing relationship to them, so might be worth persevering.

So was that.

solomongursky - 15 Nov 2018 10:20:20 (#8 of 91)

Obviously he's a monster but I found him quite likeable. he's outside normal morals.

Tagyourit - 15 Nov 2018 10:24:51 (#9 of 91)

he's outside normal morals.

I'm not sure that's a stand out characteristic in The Di Meo crime family Sol!

But Paulie commits some of the most atrocious crimes of all of the characters in the series (I'm leery of spoilers but who be a waiter or a little old lady if Paulie's about?). His one redeeming feature is that he's so inept it's often funny.

IMO Tony Siroco, himself a former mobster, deserves a lot of plaudits for his performance

WibbleAgain - 15 Nov 2018 10:25:11 (#10 of 91)

It normalises criminal behaviour and criminal activities. I watched the whole thing forever hoping it'd get less hateful but it doesn't.

In the end, I developed a certain empathy/understanding serious hard criminals: they're human beings who happen to do crime for a living - it's a sector of the economy. Their lives are full of ups and downs just like anyone else, and they're not going to change. If anyone tries to get out they're a threat to the gang and will get killed. Killing is just a job. There is no remorse, apology, repentance or redemption.

SheikYerbouti - 15 Nov 2018 10:26:10 (#11 of 91)

In the end, I developed a certain empathy/understanding serious hard criminals: they're human beings who happen to do crime for a living - it's a sector of the economy. Their lives are full of ups and downs just like anyone else, and they're not going to change.

This is very much the lesson of the season I've watched I think.

solomongursky - 15 Nov 2018 10:30:58 (#12 of 91)

In the end, I developed a certain empathy/understanding serious hard criminals

Tony dealing non-violently with Feech La Manna is unbearably poignant.

Tagyourit - 15 Nov 2018 10:32:50 (#13 of 91)

I think that's part of what made The Sopranos so popular, it's the fascination of evil.

And if you have to take one lesson from the series it's never leave your handbag sizede dog on the sofa when your boyfriend gets stoned regularly.

solomongursky - 15 Nov 2018 10:52:58 (#14 of 91)

It must have crawled under there for warmth.

carterbrandon - 15 Nov 2018 11:38:35 (#15 of 91)

Pine Barrens. Even if you bale you *have* to watch Pine Barrens. Nancy Banks-Smith says so:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2002/feb/01/tvan
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TRaney - 15 Nov 2018 12:00:39 (#16 of 91)

The Sopranos, The Wire, Mad Men.

Never watched any of them. Is the investment of time really worth it at my age?

AlanII - 15 Nov 2018 12:01:41 (#17 of 91)

Yes.

Moschops - 15 Nov 2018 12:01:54 (#18 of 91)

Not sure I would have watched them if I didn't have a 75 minute train journey twice a day. But glad I did.

widenation - 15 Nov 2018 12:03:58 (#19 of 91)

I'd say so for The Wire. I can't think of a TV series I have felt quite so immersed in. I think it's title is perhaps off-putting - ie it sounds very surveillance-orientated which it isn't really.

Tagyourit - 15 Nov 2018 12:04:05 (#20 of 91)

Can't say about Mad Men as I've not watched that but The Wire and The Sopranos are definitley worth the time if you have it (and the attention span, these are not programs that do a huge amount of exposition for the hard of understanding).

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