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Started by PoppySeedBagel on Nov 25, 2020 9:44:12 AM
Suzanne Moore on why she left the Guardian

An interesting summary of issues facing the Graun and the left over many years:

https://unherd.com/2020/11/why-i-had-to-leave-the-guardian/

Who knew the Guardian’s got ‘sponsors’ who seem to influence content?

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LippyPongstocking - 25 Nov 2020 13:10:02 (#1 of 255)

I enjoyed that article and there's much to agree with. As a life-long left-winger myself I've been getting increasingly exasperated and disturbed by the abandonment of nuanced thinking or debate by many on the left in favour of a strident totalitarianism of thought and attitude which shuts down any perceived departure from the approved script with insults and aggression.

Cordelia - 25 Nov 2020 13:14:17 (#2 of 255)

the abandonment of nuanced thinking or debate by many on the left in favour of a strident totalitarianism of thought and attitude

I don’t think it’s just happening on the left, but yes. Bloody depressing when it’s coming from the people one ought to be able to consider as allies of a sort.

PoppySeedBagel - 25 Nov 2020 13:17:19 (#3 of 255)

I’m still steaming on her behalf at her being underpaid by Peter Preston and only allowed out of the women’s pages under sufferance

Sabacious - 25 Nov 2020 13:21:18 (#4 of 255)

Yes that was quite illuminating.

darkhorse - 25 Nov 2020 13:26:57 (#5 of 255)

I also asked to be moved from the Women’s pages to the Comment pages. They offered a Monday slot which would mean I had to work on Sundays. As the only woman in the section, and single parent to boot, I asked them if they had ever heard of equal opportunities. Again I was not only unclubbable but unspeakable. No movement was possible. Madly, I suggested that Hugo Young be moved. I didn’t even realise he was Jesus in the hierarchy, floating above us all.

ReverendBlueJeans - 25 Nov 2020 13:27:02 (#6 of 255)

She's hardly the only one who has flitted between the Graun and the Daily Heil, though most try to keep it hidden.

Sunfish - 25 Nov 2020 13:27:08 (#7 of 255)

I don’t think it’s just happening on the left, but yes.

Where are the examples on the other side?

Sunfish - 25 Nov 2020 13:28:26 (#8 of 255)

She's hardly the only one who has flitted between the Graun and the Daily Heil, though most try to keep it hidden.

Same with the Murdoch press. I read the Sunday Times most weeks and quite a few of their writers used to work for the Graun.

darkhorse - 25 Nov 2020 13:29:33 (#9 of 255)

a strident totalitarianism of thought and attitude

On the right? A million twitterers calling Remainers "traitors" for example? A Mail headline calling judges "Enemies of the People"?

LippyPongstocking - 25 Nov 2020 13:36:01 (#10 of 255)

I don’t think it’s just happening on the left

No, far from it. But I expect it from the right (examples cited by darkhorse in #9) so I find it rather more depressing when it comes from people with whom I'd hope to find some consensus, or at least a willingness to engage in rational discourse.

Rendered - 25 Nov 2020 13:40:15 (#11 of 255)

Roll on Larry Fox and his UKIP of culture.

tasselhoff - 25 Nov 2020 13:45:26 (#12 of 255)

It's a good, but depressing, read.

Chazzer - 25 Nov 2020 14:02:42 (#13 of 255)

Wow. I wondered what had happened. I confess that during lock-down I switched from the Graun to <gasp> the Times, even though the thought of supporting Murdoch's press was something I couldn't contemplate previously, but the Graun (and to a lesser extent the Observer) have become so up themselves that they seem to have lost sight of many of their loyal readers. I saw a piece in last Saturday's Times from someone coming out in support of Suzanne Moore over this. Can now see why.

AlanII - 25 Nov 2020 14:05:38 (#14 of 255)

Yes, good and illuminating piece.

WibbleAgain - 25 Nov 2020 14:20:34 (#15 of 255)

Wow, what a piece.

The Guardian proudly proclaims that they're open, independent, etc., except for when they're not.

Ginmonkey - 25 Nov 2020 14:22:44 (#16 of 255)

The meetings about her and letter signed by colleagues seemed down right sinister.

darkhorse - 25 Nov 2020 14:30:43 (#17 of 255)

Weirdly, some of it (the perspective of SM coming from an ordinary not massively privileged background in contrast to Guardian poshos) reminds me of Mark Steel's comments about his Graun experience in his memoir.

Tricyrtis - 25 Nov 2020 14:31:17 (#18 of 255)

What did he say, darkhorse?

darkhorse - 25 Nov 2020 14:37:05 (#19 of 255)

Iirc he found it quite intimidating to deal with the editors as they were all rather posh, confident and condescending, making him feel he had to apologise for everything.

However, Steel tells it better in the book! (Reasons to be Cheerful)

moto748 - 25 Nov 2020 14:38:41 (#20 of 255)

She goes on a bit, doesn't she?

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