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Started by RankBajin on Oct 29, 2011 2:57:01 PM
Sir Jimmy Savile dies aged 84


  • Kiddly fiddler?
  • Corpse toucher?
  • Other? (please specify)
  • All of the above?

Ebadlun - 24 Oct 2021 21:58:18 (#17061 of 17198)

He went to my middle school, which was a point of some pride there while he was still on TV in the early 80s, but I honestly hadn't watched any of him since those days.

Looking at the link in #17058, to me he seems embarrassingly bad, and his failure to be repeated has more to do with that than any woke politically correct cancel culture gone mad brigade.

BasilSeal - 25 Oct 2021 07:59:50 (#17062 of 17198)

same here, i haven't watched him since the 80's and i was surprised at how shambolic it actually was. Stuff like the Two Ronnies stands up to being viewed now, but this is thin gruel. I was expecting it to be sexist and a bit creepy, but i was surprised at just how shit it was.

HouseOfLametta - 25 Oct 2021 08:41:09 (#17063 of 17198)

I watched Kenny Everett and now, that was shambolic.

I was amazed what a (joyful) mess it was.

When a sketch isn't going anywhere, greenscreen Ken comes on and starts hitting it with an umbrella.

When Hot Gossip are inexplicably writhing about to David Grant moaning on about nightclubs, it doesn't even pretend to make sense or represent entertainment.

It was just two minutes of gusset and fake sweat.


RosyLovelady - 25 Oct 2021 08:42:14 (#17064 of 17198)

All the same, KE was better on the radio.

Arjuna - 25 Oct 2021 08:58:30 (#17065 of 17198)

I suspect the type of 'comedy' he was doing going out of fashion had something to do with it as well

Stayed in fashion for many years more in the US

Both were true but ITV had such a huge back catalogue that stopping new production made little difference

whitbreadtrophy - 25 Oct 2021 11:19:52 (#17066 of 17198)

Both were true but ITV had such a huge back catalogue that stopping new production made little difference

At its height, The Benny Hill Show had ratings of 21 million. The final series had 9 million. This may seem a lot now but in 1989 that's around the same number as watched One Man and his Dog.

thePiMan - 25 Oct 2021 11:38:57 (#17067 of 17198)

Not only was it sold to multiple countries but the cast actually performed in multiple languages as seen on the clip posted. He was extraordinarily popular for reasons I cannot fathom.

whitbreadtrophy - 25 Oct 2021 12:02:17 (#17068 of 17198)

He was extraordinarily popular for reasons I cannot fathom.

Let me help you. He was extraordinarily popular because people found him funny.

Oldbathrobe1 - 25 Oct 2021 12:13:06 (#17069 of 17198)

Stuff like the Two Ronnies stands up to being viewed now, but this is thin gruel.

It was well written in the sense that they put effort in, but their continuing reputation has something to do with a careful editing policy. You never see the chased by a giant rabbi sketch now, or Ronnie Barker in blackface.

Policywatcher - 27 Oct 2021 11:26:37 (#17070 of 17198)

Exactly so, oldbathrobe.

A bit like The Goodies, who tried pretty hard, had several slippages that just weren't funny, and a few things that today would be a flat-out disaster, like the "ecky-thump" episod with its "freestyle Oy vey champion" and Graeme Garden in blackface as a boxer.

Whether people still find them funny or not is one thing, but there's a huge distance between them and people like Hill, where almost no amount of careful editing could make him generally acceptable today.

Doubtless to the fury of a few who would regard it as interference with their God-Given right to view material regardless of how offensive it is (or perhaps because of it).

Oldbathrobe1 - 27 Oct 2021 13:20:13 (#17071 of 17198)

The Goodies, who tried pretty hard, had several slippages that just weren't funny,

The South Africa sketch in particular was well intentioned but not received as intended.

LemonGrass - 27 Oct 2021 13:21:16 (#17072 of 17198)

Graeme Garden has acknowledge this.

BasilSeal - 27 Oct 2021 13:58:34 (#17073 of 17198)

There are certain things, such as blackface or the use of the N word which we have deemed to be offensive in and of themselves regardless of intent. The BBC used the N word in a news report of someone being assaulted and racially abused, at the request of the victim, who wanted people to know what sort of language had been used. There was still an outcry about the use of the word even though it was not intended as an insult, rather as a factually accurate report of what language was used by the attackers. (you could argue that had the attacker said fucking N******, the BBC wouldn't have used the word fuck on daytime TV though)

Likewise with blackface, i'd think the majority of comedians from Garden to Enfield and Whitehouse more recently who have used black face did so ironically. Enfield dressing up as Nelson Mandela wasn't intended to be racist, it wasn't being nasty about Mandela, it was an affectionate parody where Enfield dressed as a much loved public figure who just happened to be black.

In the 90's there was also an assumption of good will for certain comedians, the liberal consensus was more prevalent and the audience could safely assume that comedians like Enfield weren't intending to make a racist point, where as they might have rightly assumed that say, Jim Davidson doing his 'chalky White' west Indian character definitely was being racist.

I doubt Ronnie Barker saw much difference between him dressing up as an Indian and him wearing drag, they were just comedy outfits that were still obviously him and the humour was in laughing at his ridiculousness. Obviously, it's not for him then or me today, as middle aged white guys, to say what is and isn't offensive for black people and i'm not going to argue against the idea that blackface is unacceptable in any context.

What i'm trying to say is that though we may now view some things as offensive, it doesn't necessarily mean that it was unfunny, where as benny hill was both offensive and unfunny even from a period perspective.

solomongursky - 27 Oct 2021 14:41:44 (#17074 of 17198)

Ronnie Barker threw rocks at a giant jew.

thePiMan - 27 Oct 2021 15:43:48 (#17075 of 17198)

What he got up to in his spare time is up to him.

solomongursky - 27 Oct 2021 14:46:21 (#17076 of 17198)

HouseOfLametta - 27 Oct 2021 15:51:46 (#17077 of 17198)

The curious thing about Harry Enfield and Matt Lucas blacking up was that at the time they would have assumed they were safe enough to go there without people assuming a racist intent. It was shocking but not because it was making fun of black people, but because they were confident that they could discount being mistaken for hatemongers and tweak a taboo.

Sadly it's not right though. It wasn't their risk to judge, and it only works on the basis that NO ONE except marginalised weirdos held overtly racist beliefs. This is plainly not the case. They just went quiet for a while.

So it's possible to think "how sad, look how far back we've fallen!"

But I don't think they were safe to go there, certainly without some sort of consent, however well it was intentioned.

carterbrandon - 27 Oct 2021 16:02:09 (#17078 of 17198)

I'm not sure the Little Britain stuff *was* well intentioned. Very little of the humour in that was what you might call affectionate.

FrankieTeardrop - 27 Oct 2021 15:03:00 (#17079 of 17198)

Vic and Bob - sitting on the dock o' th' bay

Ginmonkey - 27 Oct 2021 16:06:41 (#17080 of 17198)

It is odd how Vic and Bob still seem to get a pass for the Otis and Marvin sketches.

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