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Started by RankBajin on Oct 29, 2011 2:57:01 PM
Sir Jimmy Savile dies aged 84

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16099015

So:

  • Kiddly fiddler?
  • Corpse toucher?
  • Other? (please specify)
  • All of the above?

Coslefacteur - 20 Nov 2012 17:52:02 (#8481 of 17115)

I for one cede to no man in my incandescent desire to see the hidden menace of female sexual abusers brought into the cold, unforgiving light of day.

I can't shed a nagging suspicion that there may be other, more productive areas of focus however.

CheBoludo - 20 Nov 2012 17:56:56 (#8482 of 17115)

Get over yourself.

Coslefacteur - 20 Nov 2012 18:02:09 (#8483 of 17115)

I will if you will.

CheBoludo - 20 Nov 2012 18:07:02 (#8484 of 17115)

I'm already over you. It wasn't me, it was you.

Coslefacteur - 20 Nov 2012 18:43:36 (#8485 of 17115)

Few people doubt girls and women are capable of theft or even murder, so conviction rates will reflect that.

I don't get this. I would like to suggest that women are held to a different standard of purity, innocence, chastity etc When they find themselves in the dock they are judged more harshly as a result. It's perfectly understandable. It's not fair on men either.

CheBoludo - 20 Nov 2012 19:02:50 (#8486 of 17115)

What's more shocking is the leniency of the sentences given to paedophiles regardless of sex.

springplease - 20 Nov 2012 19:06:23 (#8487 of 17115)





Reality check:

From Feminist Criminology This study highlights that female sex offenders receive lighter sentences for the same crimes than males. The researchers analyzed data from the U.S. Department of Justice’s National Corrections Reporting Program from the years 1994 to 2004. Sex offenses included rape, statutory rape, sexual assault, child sexual assault, and forcible sodomy. Looking at the sentences that male and female sex offenders received for specific sex offenses they found that even after the implementation of sentencing guidelines to ensure equality in sentencing, on average male sentences were between 6% and 31% longer than female sentences for the same or similar crimes. The disparity is explained in this paper by discussing the American idea that “women are weaker and, therefore, must be protected at all times regardless of their status as victims or offenders.”



http://sageinsight.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/female-sex-offenders-protected-by-the-criminal-justice-system/

And that is just looking at sentencing. Few female sexual offenders are even charged or convicted, largely due to dismissive attitudes such as yours, Cos.

DunlaithDunla - 20 Nov 2012 19:09:59 (#8488 of 17115)

It will be interesting to see what sentences female hackers get in the upcoming NI trials.

springplease - 20 Nov 2012 19:10:21 (#8489 of 17115)

What's more shocking is the leniency of the sentences given to paedophiles regardless of sex.





Yes. I think in general crimes committed against children, especially by family members, have historically been treated more lighlty when it comes to sentencing than equivalent crimes against adults.

Part of the fight against sexual abuse is the fight for children's rights in society, I think.

Coslefacteur - 20 Nov 2012 19:16:23 (#8490 of 17115)

It will be interesting to see what sentences female hackers get in the upcoming NI trials.

Haha, I wondered when you'd turn up. Interesting eh?Yep, that's the entire point. Keep me posted if some awful strumpet gets away with something or other. I know you're watching.

springplease - 20 Nov 2012 19:51:20 (#8491 of 17115)

Cols

As long as we have double standards for women, whether it is that “women are weaker and, therefore, must be protected at all times regardless of their status as victims or offenders” or that women are supposed to be weak and nice so that the woman who commits a crime is somehow worse than the man who does, we will have no true equality nor will we be able to protect children, regardless of gender.

I think the research I cited by feminist criminologists is doing far more towards changing sexist attitudes towards women than those who argue that women can't really be sexual abusers.

Women can lead nations, corporations, social movements, they can be miners and doctors, and they can be sexual abusers and killers, corrupt and honest,victims and victimizers, whole human spectrum.

Mind, I said that once to a man who later turned out to be somewhat of a misogynist and reduced that statement to "women are bitches." Unfortunately, changing attitudes is a tough battle but the fear of empowering misogynists who will manipulate the truth should never silence us from stating the truth and working towards change.

Coslefacteur - 20 Nov 2012 20:30:45 (#8492 of 17115)

I can't fundamentally disagree with any part of your last post Spring.

Yes, women can be sexually abusive. Which gender do you think is responsible for the overwhelming majority of sexual abuse?

nubuck - 20 Nov 2012 20:31:55 (#8493 of 17115)

What has this got to do with Savile?

xbod72 - 20 Nov 2012 20:33:08 (#8494 of 17115)

The remit of this thread has been a lot broader for some time now. Not least because threads on parallel topics were closed down so as to keep all the most likely libels in one pot for easy oversight.

SyrioForel - 20 Nov 2012 20:35:04 (#8495 of 17115)

Jimmy Savile might have been a female pervert trapped in a male pervert's body!

nubuck - 20 Nov 2012 20:35:23 (#8496 of 17115)

This is a new digression that merits its own thread.

Coslefacteur - 20 Nov 2012 20:36:19 (#8497 of 17115)

That long, lustrous, shimmering blonde coupe.

Hiding in plain sight.

Wireman - 20 Nov 2012 23:45:55 (#8498 of 17115)

Which recently exposed paragon of virtue wrote this, do you think?

"Spread false defeat to gain public sympathy; or false accusation and then arrange for it to be exposed as such - so the accuser will forever be treated with suspicion."

"The key to successful public speaking? Fake a speech impediment: a sudden stutter gets the audience's attention like nothing else."

Ripliad - 20 Nov 2012 23:51:08 (#8499 of 17115)

McAlpine.

Do I win!

Wireman - 20 Nov 2012 23:57:36 (#8500 of 17115)

Bingo.

You win a week in a Sicilian B&B with a selection box of the younger Kardashians.

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