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Started by RankBajin on Oct 29, 2011 2:57:01 PM
Sir Jimmy Savile dies aged 84

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16099015

So:

  • Kiddly fiddler?
  • Corpse toucher?
  • Other? (please specify)
  • All of the above?

Policywatcher - 27 Nov 2012 20:18:31 (#8701 of 17327)

Gethsemane, I doubt he's corruptible, but then again he doesn't need to be.

This is the same DPP who delayed a decision on whether there was a case to answer for manslaughter in the Tomlinson case until after it was impossible to bring any lesser charge, then decided not to bring the manslaughter charge, doing so afterwards only after the inquest verdict of unlawful killing.

There have been other instances of a reluctance to prosecute cases of police violence and abuses.

But very little reluctance to prosecute green protesters and the like.

In short, he may not be bent, but when it comes to protecting the interests of the status quo, he does an excellent job without any need of corruption.

Tangent - 27 Nov 2012 21:04:35 (#8702 of 17327)

What's notable is that, when the allegations were made, Smith had not yet got into Parliament, and was not yet a national figure. He had been Liberal candidate, and a prominent councillor (for Labour as well as the Liberals), but he didn't have the pull you would expect him to exercise a decade later.

breakfast - 27 Nov 2012 21:08:05 (#8703 of 17327)

It's bring out your dead paedophile season.

breakfast - 27 Nov 2012 21:09:45 (#8704 of 17327)

I think there's more covering up going to be going on for the ones that are living.

tincatinca - 27 Nov 2012 21:13:03 (#8705 of 17327)

There was an article in my local rag about some now 82 year old pensioner who abused 9&10 year old girls about 40 years ago. He got 27 months in prison, as that was the maximum he would have got, had he been prosecuted at the time he committed the offences. He's got away with it, more or less.

Tangent - 27 Nov 2012 21:23:36 (#8706 of 17327)

I remember reading an extensive interview with the novelist C. P. Snow about his work. In it, he mentions the inspiration of one of his characters in the Strangers and Brothers series. This man was caught sleeping with the 14 year-old son of a prison officer, and the father reported him. Snow and some of this other friends got him smuggled out of the country, and he spent the rest of his life in informal exile. What is striking is that Snow seemed to regard the whole thing as a peccadillo, and the officer father as simply being puritanical and straight-laced.

breakfast - 27 Nov 2012 21:24:57 (#8707 of 17327)

I was being too flippant before. Apologies. I do agree with this

"Clearly that is a bold statement to make but it is absolutely important for those victims who were abused by Smith that we publicly acknowledge the suffering they endured. Although Smith cannot be charged or convicted posthumously, from the overwhelming evidence we have it is right and proper that we should publicly recognise that young boys were sexually and physically abused."

breakfast - 27 Nov 2012 21:26:54 (#8708 of 17327)

#8706

Sexual abuse does seem to be taken more seriously now thankfully.

springplease - 27 Nov 2012 22:21:05 (#8709 of 17327)

What is striking is that Snow seemed to regard the whole thing as a peccadillo, and the officer father as simply being puritanical and straight-laced.



Yes. Variations of these arguments still persist, though. A lot of people saw issues of sexual abuse as simply a moral issue, and little was known in those days of the profound a lifelong effect of sexual abuse on a child and its link to mental illness, to "problem" behaviour, etc. Children were victimized, they suffered the damage, self medicated and used all kinds of dysfunctional coping mechanisms to escape the pain and constant PTSD symptoms, and then the children were labeled problem kids, or diagnosed with disorders or biological mental illness, etc.

A lot of what has helped raise awareness has been the research into the effects of trauma on children, including research using brain scans. Now we know, it isn't a sexual or moral issue but one of abuse and severe injury.

But we've a long way to go. Consider Germaine Greer's book from only six years ago...

Greer has described the book as "full of pictures of 'ravishing' pre-adult boys with hairless chests, wide-apart legs and slim waists". She goes on to say that, "I know that the only people who are supposed to like looking at pictures of boys are a subgroup of gay men," she wrote in London's Daily Telegraph. "Well, I'd like to reclaim for women the right to appreciate the short-lived beauty of boys, real boys, not simpering 30-year-olds with shaved chests."[4] She was criticized for these comments with some writers labeling her a paedophile.[5]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beautiful_Boy

Lawlsie - 28 Nov 2012 09:40:29 (#8710 of 17327)

So how does that sit with Death in Venice, also about the love of a young pre-pubescent boy? Though he only looks and I'm not sure it was ever sexual. I think Greer mentions this in her book though I didn't buy nor read it because I tend to agree with the criticism.

solomongursky - 28 Nov 2012 10:03:48 (#8711 of 17327)

One of Smith's victims says nobody believed him:

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/national/10074581.Smith_victims_
speak_out_over_abuse/


Speaking to the Daily Mail, Barry Fitton - who said he made repeated allegations that he was abused by Smith - said: "He's got to be stripped of his knighthood and his MBE. And I want an apology from all those who said I was lying."

Another victim Alan Neal, a councillor for the Community First party in Rossendale, told the paper: "For 48 years, people have chosen to say we were telling lies when we were telling the truth. Sadly some of them are no longer alive. It's still extremely raw and I'm a little bit bitter."

Mr Neal said Smith hit him when he was 11 year-old during a stay at a hostel, but when he told police four years later no action was taken.Speaking to the Daily Mail, Barry Fitton - who said he made repeated allegations that he was abused by Smith - said: "He's got to be stripped of his knighthood and his MBE. And I want an apology from all those who said I was lying."

Another victim Alan Neal, a councillor for the Community First party in Rossendale, told the paper: "For 48 years, people have chosen to say we were telling lies when we were telling the truth. Sadly some of them are no longer alive. It's still extremely raw and I'm a little bit bitter."

Mr Neal said Smith hit him when he was 11 year-old during a stay at a hostel, but when he told police four years later no action was taken.

Lawlsie - 28 Nov 2012 10:27:10 (#8712 of 17327)

It's not just victims not being believed. It's even more insidious than that in my view. It's a case of, well, you're from the dregs of society so who the fuck cares who did what to you? Now shut up and go away!

DunlaithDunla - 28 Nov 2012 10:29:30 (#8713 of 17327)

"So how does that sit with Death in Venice, also about the love of a young pre-pubescent boy?"

It would never get written today and neither would the opera as they would most likely be banned. I'm surprised most of Renoir's paintings haven't been burned as he used adolescent girls as models. Someone should do something about this. Colette shagged her 18 year old nephew. We need a campaign to eliminate her filthy novels from the shelves - preferably a public burning. Who will be the new Mary Whitehouse? We need a leader and we need one now!

sophiesilver - 28 Nov 2012 11:21:05 (#8714 of 17327)

How many more secrets from beyond the grave are going to emerge, I wonder.

springplease - 28 Nov 2012 12:26:20 (#8715 of 17327)

Lawlsie

I think it will be much as racism and slavery, which many societies and writers and artists accepted. This was reflected in the literature and art of the times.

springplease - 28 Nov 2012 12:39:05 (#8716 of 17327)

Dunla

I really don't think the argument that sexual abuse and exploitation of children has inspired great art in the past is a valid argument in this day and age. Neither is the argument that seeing sexual abuse of children for what it is is hysteria and prudishness.

springplease - 28 Nov 2012 12:39:39 (#8717 of 17327)

Indeed, Sophie.

Bobthebuilder - 28 Nov 2012 12:41:08 (#8718 of 17327)

The three post ment?

That would have done better as three paragraphs in a single post. Hold those thoughts and cluster them.

springplease - 28 Nov 2012 12:52:49 (#8719 of 17327)

Bob, Thank you for your editorial suggestion but I disagree.

Bobthebuilder - 28 Nov 2012 12:54:09 (#8720 of 17327)

No capital letters needed after a comma. Try a semi colon. And maybe a comma after 'suggestion'.

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