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Started by DonkeyOT on Jan 6, 2016 3:32:18 PM
If You Could Go Back In Time and Prevent the Premature Deaths of Six Artiistes Whom Would You Save?

And as many as you like about whom you agonised, and those whom you believe had no more to contribute.

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HorstVogel - 17 Apr 2021 14:22:36 (#142 of 246)

no wonder - Kurt saw it coming

popstar7 - 17 Apr 2021 14:24:46 (#143 of 246)

Nirvana must die. I must die. So that Foo Fighters may be.

ChankNolen - 19 Apr 2021 14:05:03 (#144 of 246)

Well, from my perspective they are both shite, like pretty much all white rock music since it dispensed with obvious steals from African-American music.

I am talking about the longevity of the acts. Cobain couldn't really play or sing, and grunge by its nature was a musical movement that would eat itself eventually, because its key operating principles were so narrowly proscribed. There really is only so far you can go recycling a handful of Black Sabbath riffs. I liked the grubby nihilism of Nevermind, but you can't imagine looking forward to their twentieth studio album.

Whilst I don't like the Foo Fighters' music, it doesn't surprise me that the member of the band who objectively did have some musical talent is the one who has made a long-term successful career.

elderberry - 19 Apr 2021 14:19:23 (#145 of 246)

Alma Cogan died far too young, but whether she'd have been able to continue as a successful performer during that late 60s/early 70s period is another question.

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ChankNolen - 19 Apr 2021 14:33:53 (#147 of 246)

I know what makes music interesting, but I can't account for the peculiar tastes of the white western Gen X male.

ChankNolen - 19 Apr 2021 14:35:25 (#148 of 246)

Mind, your pop music is even worse, given that most of it consists of the same four chords.

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Agaliarept - 19 Apr 2021 16:00:47 (#150 of 246)

but I can't account for the peculiar tastes of the white western Gen X male.

Cuz as ane fule know there are no non white rock fans!

ChankNolen - 19 Apr 2021 16:24:05 (#151 of 246)

'Maybe defer and listen to white western Gen X males and learn something'

You have interesting things to say about some topics Tranners, but if you are seriously trying to mount a defence of Nirvana as some sort of beacon of excellence, music is probably not one of them.

Agaliarept - 19 Apr 2021 16:27:59 (#152 of 246)

music is probably not one of them.

Genuine question:

Do you write music?

popstar7 - 19 Apr 2021 16:43:34 (#153 of 246)

I thought you were a rock fan, Chank.

tasselhoff - 19 Apr 2021 18:24:20 (#154 of 246)

Granite.

jamalade - 19 Apr 2021 18:40:27 (#155 of 246)

A troll throwing a rock and watching the ripples.

ChankNolen - 20 Apr 2021 09:01:27 (#156 of 246)

'I thought you were a rock fan, Chank'

I like the stuff that still shows its influences from blues, R&B and jazz. The whiter the music becomes, the less I like it.

'A troll'

This is twice in two days that I've been accused of trolling when, as usual, I am trying to construct a coherent argument which you simply may not like.

Agaliarept - 20 Apr 2021 09:19:00 (#157 of 246)

I am trying to construct a coherent argument

It's not your position alone that earns you the accusation, it's the sweeping generalisations and the lack of engagement when others try to discuss with you.

Of course you're not a troll Chank but you have to admit you use some troll tactics when it pleases you.

ChankNolen - 20 Apr 2021 09:38:42 (#158 of 246)

Funnily enough, about this time a year ago my son was learning Smells Like Teen Spirit for Trinity Drums Grade 6, so I picked up the guitar to play along.

The guitar is basically four power chords, E-A-G-C, played with a capo in the first position.

Now I totally get that simple can be effective, but really the only thing that lifts it out of the mundane is Grohl's switch-up between the A and B parts. The angry but precise drums in the B part are what makes this tune effective.

Agaliarept - 20 Apr 2021 09:47:47 (#159 of 246)

How does any of that change the fact that KC was able to write songs that managed to hit the mark in terms of what people wanted to hear?

Yes the tunes are simple, yes Dave's drumming is ace (little fact: a lot of the drum patterns on Nevermind were written by Chad Channing as Kurt wrote most of these songs before Dave joined. Not sure how this affects your argument about Dave being the actual talent in Nirvana) but if Dave's drumming was the only good part, how come his previous band (Drain Bamage) never broke through?

It's totally fine to not like something. No one would challenge that statement.

But to stand up and shout that Nirvana weren't actually important, that Kurt couldn't write a smashing pop rock tune and that the band won't be remembered is just being contrary for the sake of it.

It get's you about as much respect as those people who try to look cool and say the Beatles weren't that good.

AlanII - 20 Apr 2021 09:48:48 (#160 of 246)

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