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Started by DonkeyOT on Jan 6, 2016 3:32:18 PM
If You Could Go Back In Time and Prevent the Premature Deaths of Six Artiistes Whom Would You Save?

And as many as you like about whom you agonised, and those whom you believe had no more to contribute.

EchoChamber - 08 Jan 2016 17:46:07 (#61 of 246)

Not really, some people have good experiences using them. They are but a tool.

DonkeyOT - 08 Jan 2016 17:50:07 (#62 of 246)

You must have to have the skin and mentality of a rhinoceros to be really successful in show-business, I imagine.

But what are you to do if and when you start to achieve a bit of success and then begin to realize that you haven't the strength of character to do it permanently - leave and get a job on the checkouts in Asda and spend a lifetime wondering what might have been?

I can only assume that S. Cowell is more solicitous about his protégés' well-being than his on-screen persona would suggest - a couple of break-downs or - God forbid a fatality would spell disaster for him. He'd just have to struggle along with the little nest-egg he's already scraped together, I suppose; barely enough to keep body and soul together.

DonkeyOT - 08 Jan 2016 17:51:28 (#63 of 246)

They are but a tool.

The ones who take them you mean, presumably?

MestangloMan - 08 Jan 2016 17:53:09 (#64 of 246)

OK, I have some singles, but back when one could get cassettes in my neck of the woods for cheap, I got the record this man made just to cut something for his record company and to serve out his contract. It was about the break up with his wife, who, if memory serves, was related to Berry Gordy. Anyway, it's almost a prophetic look at how he would end up.

Marvin Gaye

If you've had enormous success, but are on the way down, living like a beach bum in Hawaii, or whatever the case may be, please, young artistes, don't get in an unnecessary fight with your dad.

Please, please, please DON'T.

DonkeyOT - 08 Jan 2016 17:54:58 (#65 of 246)

And don't whatever you do, give him a gun as a present - most unwise.

MestangloMan - 08 Jan 2016 18:13:59 (#66 of 246)

That was Marvin's gun, Donkey OT?

(Edit at 7:06 PM UK time. Oh, you're saying Marvin gave it to his dad as a present, eh? Yikes).

Since you brought that into the discussion, my number 9 would be David Koresh, who died in his 30s, recorded some decent tunes of that era, late 80s, early 90s.

It would be interesting to see what may have happened if he was more of a cult figure on Billboard than, say, with young, easily influenced religious fanatics from various parts of the world standing up to dear, old Uncle Sam in Waco, Texas(Manson, of course, is a cult figure who performed music, was quite charismatic, and knew some folks in the biz, including Neil Young and Dennis Wilson. Neil thought him a great tunesmith. He called him a song spewer. Charles may outlive us all).

Anyway, yes, both Marvin and David got it via armed opponents. Number 10, John Lennon, although I won't push this too far because your idea is great and all are contributing, from my pov.

Number 11, Bobby Fuller, who fought the law and the law surely won.

Number 12, to complete the sixes idea and because there is an interesting trad of musicians dying in hotel/motel rooms. I might see him as symbolic of this on the road lifestyle, plus I will forever love his music. I can think of four folks off the top of my head who died in a hotel room, sometimes right before a tour. Anyway:

Doug Sahm, aka Sir Douglas.

staticgirl - 08 Jan 2016 18:22:09 (#67 of 246)

My immediate thought was Will from the Shamen because he was just a nice man (from what I could tell - gods know what he would have been like on social media).

I was quite sad about Jeff Buckley too - another swimming related death.

BuddhaPest - 08 Jan 2016 18:48:32 (#68 of 246)

I felt Tim Buckley was more of a loss than Jeff - a better and more varied oeuvre.

BuddhaPest - 08 Jan 2016 18:50:03 (#69 of 246)

And then there are those we could or should have lost but didn't. I used to love Van Morrison, but when was the last time her recorded anything worthwhile?

BlankChank - 09 Jan 2016 15:48:32 (#70 of 246)

'It's probably naïve of me to say it I know but you have to wonder what on earth it is that makes them turn to drugs or alcohol.'

Many of the great jazz musicians turned to smack because it was the only way to get through a gruelling life. Unfortunately somewhere along the way the message was twisted to being that drink and drugs made people better musicians - something which it is fair to say is never, ever true.

tasselhoff - 09 Jan 2016 15:59:19 (#71 of 246)

Pentecost - 09 Jan 2016 16:08:46 (#72 of 246)

That is utter rubbish.

tasselhoff - 09 Jan 2016 16:11:13 (#73 of 246)

If you say so.

Macpaddy - 09 Jan 2016 16:13:18 (#74 of 246)

I concur with Pente. He's a comedian? Really?

tasselhoff - 09 Jan 2016 16:15:46 (#75 of 246)

You've never heard of Bill Hicks?

tasselhoff - 09 Jan 2016 16:16:39 (#76 of 246)

It doesn't mean I'm going to go out and get wasted, but you can't deny the influence of drugs on a lot of very good music.

Macpaddy - 09 Jan 2016 16:16:52 (#77 of 246)

I've heard of him, of course. I just failed to see anything funny in that clip. I'd have rated it - shite.

Pentecost - 09 Jan 2016 16:17:10 (#78 of 246)

Yes, but this particular material of his is something to fast forward past.

Macpaddy - 09 Jan 2016 16:17:49 (#79 of 246)

but you can't deny the influence of drugs on a lot of very good music.

By it's destroying them before finally killing them you mean, tass?

tasselhoff - 09 Jan 2016 16:18:08 (#80 of 246)

You'll hate this too then

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