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Started by DonkeyOT on Jan 6, 2016 3:32:18 PM
If You Could Go Back In Time and Prevent the Premature Deaths of Six Artiistes Whom Would You Save?

And as many as you like about whom you agonised, and those whom you believe had no more to contribute.

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CaptainBlack - 06 Jan 2016 15:33:09 (#1 of 246)

Lowell George

Nick Drake

Jimi Hendrix

John Lennon

Ian Curtis

Paul McCartney

DonkeyOT - 06 Jan 2016 15:37:38 (#2 of 246)

How long has P McCartney been dead?

Savers:-

Buddy Holly

Cass Elliot

Jimi Hendrix

Freddy Mercury

Paul Kossoff

Karen Carpenter



NMTC;-

John Lennon

George Harrison

Elvis

Ian Dury



Agonised;-

Janice Joplin

Jim Morrison

brooklyn - 06 Jan 2016 15:49:05 (#3 of 246)

Mozart (age 35)

Chopin (age 39)

Schubert (age 31)

Mendelssohn (age 38)

Gershwin (age 38)

Macpaddy - 06 Jan 2016 15:50:53 (#4 of 246)

Buddy Holly

Sam Cooke

Amy Winehouse

Bob Marley

Freddie Mercury

Otis Reading



John Lennon

Marvin Gaye

Tammi Terrell

Eva Cassidy

John Denver

DonkeyOT - 06 Jan 2016 15:52:43 (#5 of 246)

Brooklyn # 3

What about Tchaikovsky, his suicide at fifty-three was fairly premature, as well as unnecessary?

Macpaddy - 06 Jan 2016 15:55:23 (#6 of 246)

Mozart Chopin Schubert Mendelssohn Gershwin

Artistes?

popstar7 - 06 Jan 2016 15:55:30 (#7 of 246)

Amy Winehouse

Sam Cooke

Tammi Terrell

Kurt Cobain

Karen Carpenter

Ian Curtis

DonkeyOT - 06 Jan 2016 15:56:55 (#8 of 246)

Yes I loved Eva Cassidy too, still it was I who restricted it to six so I must put up with it, I suppose.

thisonehasalittlehat - 06 Jan 2016 15:57:02 (#9 of 246)

Bob Geldof.

MontyPeculiar - 06 Jan 2016 15:57:15 (#10 of 246)

Elliott Smith

Gram Parsons

Jeff Buckley

Jim Morrison

Nick Drake

Kirsty MacColl

thisonehasalittlehat - 06 Jan 2016 15:57:16 (#11 of 246)

Oh, hang on, sorry, prevent?

popstar7 - 06 Jan 2016 15:57:34 (#12 of 246)

Oh actually, Marvin takes Karen Carpenter's place now I'm reminded.

dreams99 - 06 Jan 2016 15:58:46 (#13 of 246)

Chopin

Hendrix

Buddy Holly

Jeff Buckley

Elliott Smith

Robert Johnson

HerrWalrus - 06 Jan 2016 15:59:36 (#14 of 246)

A Hitler. By getting him that art scholarship early on, it may have prevented his premature demise in '45.

Macpaddy - 06 Jan 2016 16:00:00 (#15 of 246)

Oh and -

Eddie Cochran

Billy Fury

brooklyn - 06 Jan 2016 16:03:36 (#16 of 246)

a fair question, mac. but: this is Merriam Webster:

<<1 : a skilled adept public performer; specifically : a musical or theatrical entertainer

2 : an artistic or creative person>>

so I included creative musical people.

apart from that, all (?) of those guys were at least conductors, I think. and certainly some were performers on instruments. for example, Gershwin was a piano player, and did a heck of a job on the keyboards. the world premier of rhapsody in blue (at the then-swanky ballroom of the St. George hotel in Brooklyn Heights) is often played, and that's George himself on piano.

as to Tchaikovsky, donk, I did an arbitrary cut-off at age 49.

DonkeyOT - 06 Jan 2016 16:04:53 (#17 of 246)

It would be helpful to classify into the categories, I think - i.e. saved; NMTC; agonised. Not obligatory though.

tasselhoff - 06 Jan 2016 16:05:14 (#18 of 246)

#14 Bah! Beat me to it

BenVrackie - 06 Jan 2016 16:05:36 (#19 of 246)

Do we get to choose who has to take their place?

tasselhoff - 06 Jan 2016 16:05:55 (#20 of 246)

as to Tchaikovsky, donk, I did an arbitrary cut-off at age 49.

Bugger. I've got a few weeks to knock out some banging tunes and snuff it.

brooklyn - 06 Jan 2016 16:07:19 (#21 of 246)

I'm sure we'd count your JtT postings as artistic keyboard productions.

Shadrack22 - 06 Jan 2016 16:11:50 (#22 of 246)

Bela Bartok

Benjamin Britten

Maurice Ravel

John Lennon

Nick Drake

Tim Buckley

SGM1A1 - 06 Jan 2016 16:22:50 (#23 of 246)

Buddy Holly

Sam Cooke

Johnny Burnette

Eddie Cochran

Les Harvey (Stone The Crows)

Duster Bennett

Anthony16 - 06 Jan 2016 16:40:59 (#24 of 246)

Buddy Holly x 6.

DonkeyOT - 06 Jan 2016 16:43:21 (#25 of 246)

Tragedy - definitely, all for the sake of a fuckin' clean shirt, ffs.

Anthony16 - 06 Jan 2016 16:49:29 (#26 of 246)

Did I mention, as a kid I saw him with the Crickets) at Walthamstow Empire?

DonkeyOT - 06 Jan 2016 16:53:12 (#27 of 246)

With Deso Connor as compere?

He did compere a lot of their UK tour, apparently - reckons he and Charles got on like a house on fire, (genuinely, I believe).

Mind you, both seemed fairly affable blokes.

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Anthony16 - 06 Jan 2016 17:02:22 (#29 of 246)

With Deso Connor as compere?

Must have wiped that from my mind. Perhaps Marty Wild was on the bill too though.

FreddyMalins - 06 Jan 2016 17:02:56 (#30 of 246)

I think we should leave well alone. They shall not grow old as we that are left grow old etc etc

browserbutton - 06 Jan 2016 17:04:12 (#31 of 246)

If Nico hadn't fatally fallen off her bicycle she'd be 75 now, and probably a husky chanteuse in the Dietrich style.

HouseOfLametta - 06 Jan 2016 17:04:46 (#32 of 246)

I'm afraid there is a strong argument that Buddy, Eddie and Elvis (into the army) had to be out of the way for what had to happen next...

CaptainBlack - 06 Jan 2016 17:05:51 (#33 of 246)

But The Man reckoned without some greasers from Liverpool keeping the flame.

SGM1A1 - 06 Jan 2016 18:55:03 (#34 of 246)

#29

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5147/5636075010_1faa
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EchoChamber - 06 Jan 2016 19:05:45 (#35 of 246)

I'd ensure Syd Barrett received some proper help in mid 67. Happy Birthday, Syd.

browserbutton - 06 Jan 2016 19:07:26 (#36 of 246)

You mean like not allowed to have LSD?

elfinia - 06 Jan 2016 19:16:49 (#37 of 246)

I agree with Anthony16.Gotta be Buddy Holly x 6

EchoChamber - 06 Jan 2016 20:16:12 (#38 of 246)

No, I mean some support. Not being abandoned by careerist band "mates".

BlankChank - 07 Jan 2016 20:02:32 (#39 of 246)

Jimi HendrixDonny HathawayBobby TimmonsOtis ReddingSteve GainesTommy Bolin

SGM1A1 - 07 Jan 2016 22:46:54 (#40 of 246)

Lee Morgan

BlankChank - 07 Jan 2016 22:51:35 (#41 of 246)

Good call.

DonkeyOT - 08 Jan 2016 10:55:56 (#42 of 246)

I genuinely believe Lennon would never have achieved anything more musically, I'm convinced he would have gone into ever more esoteric and avant-garde abstract art. Probably becoming even loopier than say Dalí or Picasso.

Although Harrison could probably have found new musical avenues to explore, I'm sure.

CarlosFandango - 08 Jan 2016 11:16:13 (#43 of 246)

Pierre Boulez

DonkeyOT - 08 Jan 2016 14:27:58 (#44 of 246)

No nomination for Phil Lynott? Probably NMTC.

TheWarOnTerry - 08 Jan 2016 15:22:32 (#45 of 246)

Duncan Edwards.

Pentecost - 08 Jan 2016 15:25:44 (#46 of 246)

Moving away from musical artistes, I would suggest a few from elsewhere:

Bruce Lee

Heath Ledger

River Phoenix

Macpaddy - 08 Jan 2016 15:30:03 (#47 of 246)

Philip Seymour Hoffman

John Candy

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CaptainBlack - 08 Jan 2016 16:09:12 (#49 of 246)

That film about Amy Wino is on C4 tonight

Pentecost - 08 Jan 2016 16:16:03 (#50 of 246)

Yes. I am ashamed that while she was alive I thought she was just another attention-seeking diva, and I have no real defence of myself. Only recently have I come to recognise that there was something there that makes the world a little poorer for not having her in it.

MestangloMan - 08 Jan 2016 16:17:28 (#51 of 246)

Some good points on this one. Probably too many. Ok, no doubt too many. It's the Law.

Here's my list for various reasons:

Richie Valens, 17 when he lost it.

The Big Bopper, who was something of a jazz rapper way before it was cool.

Elvis the P, because it's his number 81 B-day.

Jimi Hendrix.

Sam Cooke(Conspiracy theories or no conspiracy theories, guys, gals, when you are on the way up, up, up, keep those luv interests cool, if you can).

Jesse Ed Davis, in his 40s when he kicked it. Plus, from where I grew up.



For grins, although his family and fans grieved heavily, number 7:

Sid Vicious, because he was a Pistol and My Way cannot be done badly unless it's a dog doing it.

BuddhaPest - 08 Jan 2016 16:22:27 (#52 of 246)

All musicians so far, but I would like to have seen what poetry John Keats might have written had he lived longer.

Pentecost - 08 Jan 2016 16:23:24 (#53 of 246)

Bruce Lee was, of course, a musician.

HorstVogel - 08 Jan 2016 16:27:34 (#54 of 246)

Only recently have I come to recognise that there was something there that makes the world a little poorer for not having her in it.



Can't say I have.



Johnny Thunders. I was gutted when I read on a New Year Eve's list of the deceased. I hadn't realised he copped it.



Kirsty MacCall, not that I miss her music but for the situation of her death.



Sid Vicious perhaps for the same reason as Mestie.



Sidney James although he died as one could wish for an actor.



?



?

BuddhaPest - 08 Jan 2016 16:30:41 (#55 of 246)

Charlie Parker

John Coltrane

Bob Marley

Peter Tosh

Jacqueline du Pre

Sandy Denny

Peacock - 08 Jan 2016 17:13:49 (#56 of 246)

some good suggestions upthread plus:

Kurt Cobain

Stevie Ray Vaughan

Sandy Denny

Bernie Edwards

Shannon Hoon

John Bonham

HorstVogel - 08 Jan 2016 17:29:36 (#57 of 246)

my two blanks:



Stuart Sutcliffe to see if the Beatles would have had a different career.



Brian Jones to see if the Rolling Stones would have had a different career.

DonkeyOT - 08 Jan 2016 17:33:17 (#58 of 246)

Yes it has only been posthumously that I've become aware of what enormous potential Amy Winehouse had. Who knows what she might have gone on to achieve?

It's so tragically common that great artistic talent is so frequently accompanied by emotional frailty. You must have to have the skin and mentality of a rhinoceros to be really successful in show-business, I imagine.

It's probably naïve of me to say it I know but you have to wonder what on earth it is that makes them turn to drugs or alcohol. It's no secret how lethal either are particularly in the world od show business. Trite I know but I felt it needed saying.

Macpaddy - 08 Jan 2016 17:34:42 (#59 of 246)

Drugs are cheerfully promoted on many a thread here.

DonkeyOT - 08 Jan 2016 17:36:03 (#60 of 246)

Yes I know - baffling.

EchoChamber - 08 Jan 2016 17:46:07 (#61 of 246)

Not really, some people have good experiences using them. They are but a tool.

DonkeyOT - 08 Jan 2016 17:50:07 (#62 of 246)

You must have to have the skin and mentality of a rhinoceros to be really successful in show-business, I imagine.


But what are you to do if and when you start to achieve a bit of success and then begin to realize that you haven't the strength of character to do it permanently - leave and get a job on the checkouts in Asda and spend a lifetime wondering what might have been?

I can only assume that S. Cowell is more solicitous about his protégés' well-being than his on-screen persona would suggest - a couple of break-downs or - God forbid a fatality would spell disaster for him. He'd just have to struggle along with the little nest-egg he's already scraped together, I suppose; barely enough to keep body and soul together.

DonkeyOT - 08 Jan 2016 17:51:28 (#63 of 246)

They are but a tool.


The ones who take them you mean, presumably?

MestangloMan - 08 Jan 2016 17:53:09 (#64 of 246)

OK, I have some singles, but back when one could get cassettes in my neck of the woods for cheap, I got the record this man made just to cut something for his record company and to serve out his contract. It was about the break up with his wife, who, if memory serves, was related to Berry Gordy. Anyway, it's almost a prophetic look at how he would end up.

Marvin Gaye

If you've had enormous success, but are on the way down, living like a beach bum in Hawaii, or whatever the case may be, please, young artistes, don't get in an unnecessary fight with your dad.

Please, please, please DON'T.

DonkeyOT - 08 Jan 2016 17:54:58 (#65 of 246)

And don't whatever you do, give him a gun as a present - most unwise.

MestangloMan - 08 Jan 2016 18:13:59 (#66 of 246)

That was Marvin's gun, Donkey OT?

(Edit at 7:06 PM UK time. Oh, you're saying Marvin gave it to his dad as a present, eh? Yikes).

Since you brought that into the discussion, my number 9 would be David Koresh, who died in his 30s, recorded some decent tunes of that era, late 80s, early 90s.

It would be interesting to see what may have happened if he was more of a cult figure on Billboard than, say, with young, easily influenced religious fanatics from various parts of the world standing up to dear, old Uncle Sam in Waco, Texas(Manson, of course, is a cult figure who performed music, was quite charismatic, and knew some folks in the biz, including Neil Young and Dennis Wilson. Neil thought him a great tunesmith. He called him a song spewer. Charles may outlive us all).

Anyway, yes, both Marvin and David got it via armed opponents. Number 10, John Lennon, although I won't push this too far because your idea is great and all are contributing, from my pov.

Number 11, Bobby Fuller, who fought the law and the law surely won.

Number 12, to complete the sixes idea and because there is an interesting trad of musicians dying in hotel/motel rooms. I might see him as symbolic of this on the road lifestyle, plus I will forever love his music. I can think of four folks off the top of my head who died in a hotel room, sometimes right before a tour. Anyway:

Doug Sahm, aka Sir Douglas.

staticgirl - 08 Jan 2016 18:22:09 (#67 of 246)

My immediate thought was Will from the Shamen because he was just a nice man (from what I could tell - gods know what he would have been like on social media).

I was quite sad about Jeff Buckley too - another swimming related death.

BuddhaPest - 08 Jan 2016 18:48:32 (#68 of 246)

I felt Tim Buckley was more of a loss than Jeff - a better and more varied oeuvre.

BuddhaPest - 08 Jan 2016 18:50:03 (#69 of 246)

And then there are those we could or should have lost but didn't. I used to love Van Morrison, but when was the last time her recorded anything worthwhile?

BlankChank - 09 Jan 2016 15:48:32 (#70 of 246)

'It's probably naïve of me to say it I know but you have to wonder what on earth it is that makes them turn to drugs or alcohol.'

Many of the great jazz musicians turned to smack because it was the only way to get through a gruelling life. Unfortunately somewhere along the way the message was twisted to being that drink and drugs made people better musicians - something which it is fair to say is never, ever true.

tasselhoff - 09 Jan 2016 15:59:19 (#71 of 246)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzO_4IHPlFQ

Pentecost - 09 Jan 2016 16:08:46 (#72 of 246)

That is utter rubbish.

tasselhoff - 09 Jan 2016 16:11:13 (#73 of 246)

If you say so.

Macpaddy - 09 Jan 2016 16:13:18 (#74 of 246)

I concur with Pente. He's a comedian? Really?

tasselhoff - 09 Jan 2016 16:15:46 (#75 of 246)

You've never heard of Bill Hicks?

tasselhoff - 09 Jan 2016 16:16:39 (#76 of 246)

It doesn't mean I'm going to go out and get wasted, but you can't deny the influence of drugs on a lot of very good music.

Macpaddy - 09 Jan 2016 16:16:52 (#77 of 246)

I've heard of him, of course. I just failed to see anything funny in that clip. I'd have rated it - shite.

Pentecost - 09 Jan 2016 16:17:10 (#78 of 246)

Yes, but this particular material of his is something to fast forward past.

Macpaddy - 09 Jan 2016 16:17:49 (#79 of 246)

but you can't deny the influence of drugs on a lot of very good music.

By it's destroying them before finally killing them you mean, tass?

tasselhoff - 09 Jan 2016 16:18:08 (#80 of 246)

You'll hate this too then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fGm_jg45To

tasselhoff - 09 Jan 2016 16:18:49 (#81 of 246)

By it's destroying them before finally killing them you mean, tass?

I'm not talking about the damaging effects of drug-use, but the influence on creativity.

Pentecost - 09 Jan 2016 16:19:45 (#82 of 246)

Hicks should have taken some if it helps so much, then, because he clearly needed the input.

tasselhoff - 09 Jan 2016 16:21:02 (#83 of 246)

He did.

Macpaddy - 09 Jan 2016 16:24:16 (#84 of 246)

I thought that was obvious. His drug taking has made him think he's a lot funnier than he really is.

I wholly agree with his point about government weaponry

Pentecost - 09 Jan 2016 16:25:35 (#85 of 246)

He did.

Didn't work, then, did it.

tasselhoff - 09 Jan 2016 16:27:24 (#86 of 246)

He took the drugs to get an insight into them (he didn't start young) and then stopped. His big battle was with cigarettes.

Macpaddy - 09 Jan 2016 16:33:19 (#87 of 246)

I hope he won. I don't know if his search for insight was brave or stupid.

BlankChank - 09 Jan 2016 16:33:36 (#88 of 246)

'I'm not talking about the damaging effects of drug-use, but the influence on creativity.'

Hallucinogens, yep, up to a point. Dope - ok, might concede that one. Coke, not so much. Smack - not at all. Booze - only up to the point where encephalopathy kicks in.

I'll leave it to the younger generation to make the case for horse tranquilizers.

tasselhoff - 09 Jan 2016 16:34:45 (#89 of 246)

He died of cancer aged 33 or 34. Pancreatic, IIRC (don't think it had anything to do with the fags).

Macpaddy - 09 Jan 2016 16:34:57 (#90 of 246)

Damn. He died of pancreatic cancer aged 32. Poor bloke.

Macpaddy - 09 Jan 2016 16:37:16 (#91 of 246)

Beliefs are neat. Cherish them, but don't share them like they're the truth. Bill Hicks.

BuddhaPest - 09 Jan 2016 18:04:32 (#92 of 246)

He died before Facebook, obviously.

Shadrack22 - 11 Jan 2016 21:13:47 (#93 of 246)

Add Bowie to the list. I'm sorry not to have the chance to hear the music of his old age. Sure he would have surprised us.

Hundredsand - 11 Jan 2016 21:23:23 (#94 of 246)

Frank Zappa

Marvin Gaye

Amy Winehouse

Billie Holiday (44 years old?)

FalseSummit - 11 Jan 2016 21:49:54 (#95 of 246)

Darren 'Wiz' Brown, Phil Lynott, Warren Zevon, Kirsty MacColl, Martin Gilks and Cliff Burton.

Which would also make one hell of a supergroup.

CarlosFandango - 11 Jan 2016 22:26:44 (#96 of 246)

Ian Dury. Joe Strummer.

JerkinMcGherkin - 11 Jan 2016 22:27:42 (#97 of 246)

I'd like to have gone back in time to kick Mark Chapman in the goolies very hard, take his copy of Catcher in the Rye away and tell him to grow the fuck up. And I'm not even a Lennon fan - I just don't like whiny twerps like Chapman.

Shadrack22 - 11 Jan 2016 22:35:25 (#98 of 246)

Hear, hear.

"I just shot John Lennon."

"Not grammatically accurate", commented Derek Taylor.

SGM1A1 - 12 Jan 2016 11:01:13 (#99 of 246)

Duane Allman

Shadrack22 - 12 Apr 2021 00:16:24 (#100 of 246)

Debussy

Ravel

Bartok

Mozart

Robert Johnson

Amy Winehouse

Delighted_User - 12 Apr 2021 07:38:21 (#101 of 246)

I'd like to have gone back in time to kick Mark Chapman in the goolies very hard, take his copy of Catcher in the Rye away and tell him to grow the fuck up.

I'd have gone back to the early '60s and told him to get a move on.

elderberry - 12 Apr 2021 07:49:39 (#102 of 246)

Creators/performers, not limited to music, who should have lasted longer into the 20th century

Amy Winehouse

Kirsty McColl

Eric Ravilious

Dorothy Stratten

Marilyn Monroe

George Orwell

HorstVogel - 12 Apr 2021 07:51:43 (#103 of 246)

Marilyn Monroe



for talent or empathy?

elderberry - 12 Apr 2021 07:59:21 (#104 of 246)

Monroe had talent, and it would have interesting to see what happened next. Stratten had potential to act the same sort of roles but better, being more intelligent. And having Kirsty McColl around might cut some ground out from under Shane McGowan.

HorstVogel - 12 Apr 2021 08:00:28 (#105 of 246)

cheers - just wondering

Gotout - 12 Apr 2021 08:07:58 (#106 of 246)

Glenn Miller.

SinnerBoy - 12 Apr 2021 08:16:05 (#107 of 246)

Bob Marley, definitely.

FleurDuMal - 12 Apr 2021 09:09:22 (#108 of 246)

Freddie Mercury

uranrising - 12 Apr 2021 13:05:54 (#109 of 246)

Bellini

Bizet

Pergolesi

Mahler

Purcell

Weber

Not to mention Lily Boulanger and Bix Beidebecke

Peacock - 14 Apr 2021 22:00:19 (#110 of 246)

Mozart

Nick Drake

Chopin

Jimi Hendrix

Lowell George

Amy Winehouse

Charlie Parker

Franz Schubert

Jade Goody

ChankNolen - 15 Apr 2021 10:32:59 (#111 of 246)

I'm perplexed how many people have included Amy Winehouse in their lists. If she had lived, she would have faded into obscurity by now - probably be just about at the point of doing an attempted comeback via a covers album of cuts by other fuck-ups.

FleurDuMal - 15 Apr 2021 11:17:22 (#112 of 246)

I’m just boggling at Jade Goody. She was by no means an artiste - just a not-very-pleasant reality TV star who was unfortunate enough to develop an incurable illness.

Peacock - 15 Apr 2021 11:55:34 (#113 of 246)

she isn't an artist fleur!

FleurDuMal - 15 Apr 2021 12:31:31 (#114 of 246)

So why include her?

Arjuna - 15 Apr 2021 12:33:28 (#115 of 246)

it may have been in jest

uranrising - 15 Apr 2021 12:55:26 (#116 of 246)

... which is so difficult to spot in cold print.

popstar7 - 15 Apr 2021 14:07:26 (#117 of 246)

Fewer mentioned thus far -

Billie Holiday

Stuart Sutcliffe*

Gram Parsons

Sandy Denny

Minnie Riperton

Bon Scott

Ian Curtis

Karen Carpenter

Marvin Gaye

Phil Lynott

Richey Edwards

Tupac Shakur

Elliott Smith

*didn't have a future in The Beatles but had a promising future as an artist

ReverendBlueJeans - 15 Apr 2021 16:29:21 (#118 of 246)

Robert Louis Stevenson

Ian Charleson

Buddy Holly

JG Farrell

Paul Kossoff

Kafka

Didn't really agonise over anyone. Lennon worth saving as a person and for his family but going by Double Fantasy he had little musically left of value to contribute.

AlanII - 15 Apr 2021 16:38:42 (#119 of 246)

The follow up single, Walking on Thin Ice hinted at a return to form. Double Fantasy was, I agree, awful.

tasselhoff - 15 Apr 2021 18:04:11 (#120 of 246)

I bought it. Thought to myself that's the last album I buy of his.

Shadrack22 - 15 Apr 2021 22:06:21 (#121 of 246)

I suppose if Kafka had lived he might have burnt his manuscripts (as he urged Max Brod to do) then we wouldn’t have had his writings. He was Jewish, living in Berlin and fairly passive and indecisive, so unlikely to have escaped what was waiting around the corner.

bossab2 - 15 Apr 2021 22:36:09 (#122 of 246)

Kurt Cobain

RosyLovelady - 16 Apr 2021 07:23:23 (#123 of 246)

It just as well Kafka died young, then.

ChankNolen - 16 Apr 2021 09:57:07 (#124 of 246)

Again though, Cobain had clearly pissed his pintful by the time he died. The only talented musician in that band has, unsurprisingly, gone on to have a long and successful career.

popstar7 - 16 Apr 2021 11:56:22 (#125 of 246)

Sorry, Foo Fighters are unremarkable meat and potatoes rock, whatever Dave Grohl's musical proficiency. Cobain/Nirvana were extraordinary and obvious candidate as he is, he really was a huge loss.

popstar7 - 16 Apr 2021 11:59:22 (#126 of 246)

I mean, imagine Foo Fighters never having existed. <shrug> And then imagine Nirvana never having existed.

HorstVogel - 16 Apr 2021 12:08:30 (#127 of 246)

life would have gone on (well it did), they weren't that big, especially the not appreciated by the Labour Party Foo Fighters.

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Shadrack22 - 16 Apr 2021 12:32:57 (#129 of 246)

The road of excess does not always lead to the palace of wisdom.

uranrising - 16 Apr 2021 12:58:54 (#130 of 246)

I seem to remember Morrison mentioned, upthread.

HouseOfLametta - 16 Apr 2021 13:15:50 (#131 of 246)

I think Lennon would have done interesting things. He would have been an awful bastard, but every now and again he would do something amazing.

Although Bowie did a masterclass in dying in the public artistic eye, I think he had been slowly on the up this century, getting his ideas back.

ChankNolen - 16 Apr 2021 15:31:48 (#132 of 246)

'And then imagine Nirvana never having existed.'

I'm pretty sure some other kids with messy hair would have copped that Tony Iommi down-tune trick eventually.

Antimatter - 16 Apr 2021 16:08:23 (#133 of 246)

Dolores O'Riordan

dicky3 - 16 Apr 2021 17:56:30 (#134 of 246)

Three of the travelling Wilburys.

Orbison

Harrison

Petty

FleurDuMal - 16 Apr 2021 17:57:34 (#135 of 246)

Dolores O'Riordan

Oh yes! Also, Kirsty McColl.

Peacock - 16 Apr 2021 19:24:03 (#136 of 246)

Again though, Cobain had clearly pissed his pintful by the time he died. The only talented musician in that band has, unsurprisingly, gone on to have a long and successful career.

For someone usually on the money this is totally wrong

Sunfish - 16 Apr 2021 19:29:59 (#137 of 246)

Sorry, Foo Fighters are unremarkable meat and potatoes rock

Absolutely no need to apologise. This is a perfect description of them.

Peacock - 16 Apr 2021 19:53:21 (#138 of 246)

+1

ChankNolen - 17 Apr 2021 09:53:35 (#139 of 246)

The Foo Fighters are hardly my thing, but their longevity is because Dave Grohl is an actual, talented musician. Idiot savants like Cobain inevitably have a short shelf-life, even if they don't get into the self-destructive mode.

Shadrack22 - 17 Apr 2021 11:06:12 (#140 of 246)

I think Cobain has a talent for surprisingly pretty Beatlesy melodies and had an offbeat lyrical talent.

The Foo Fighters just seem like dull blokey sludge. They’re never going to surprise you.

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HorstVogel - 17 Apr 2021 14:22:36 (#142 of 246)

no wonder - Kurt saw it coming

popstar7 - 17 Apr 2021 14:24:46 (#143 of 246)

Nirvana must die. I must die. So that Foo Fighters may be.

ChankNolen - 19 Apr 2021 14:05:03 (#144 of 246)

Well, from my perspective they are both shite, like pretty much all white rock music since it dispensed with obvious steals from African-American music.

I am talking about the longevity of the acts. Cobain couldn't really play or sing, and grunge by its nature was a musical movement that would eat itself eventually, because its key operating principles were so narrowly proscribed. There really is only so far you can go recycling a handful of Black Sabbath riffs. I liked the grubby nihilism of Nevermind, but you can't imagine looking forward to their twentieth studio album.

Whilst I don't like the Foo Fighters' music, it doesn't surprise me that the member of the band who objectively did have some musical talent is the one who has made a long-term successful career.

elderberry - 19 Apr 2021 14:19:23 (#145 of 246)

Alma Cogan died far too young, but whether she'd have been able to continue as a successful performer during that late 60s/early 70s period is another question.

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ChankNolen - 19 Apr 2021 14:33:53 (#147 of 246)

I know what makes music interesting, but I can't account for the peculiar tastes of the white western Gen X male.

ChankNolen - 19 Apr 2021 14:35:25 (#148 of 246)

Mind, your pop music is even worse, given that most of it consists of the same four chords.

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Agaliarept - 19 Apr 2021 16:00:47 (#150 of 246)

but I can't account for the peculiar tastes of the white western Gen X male.

Cuz as ane fule know there are no non white rock fans!

ChankNolen - 19 Apr 2021 16:24:05 (#151 of 246)

'Maybe defer and listen to white western Gen X males and learn something'

You have interesting things to say about some topics Tranners, but if you are seriously trying to mount a defence of Nirvana as some sort of beacon of excellence, music is probably not one of them.

Agaliarept - 19 Apr 2021 16:27:59 (#152 of 246)

music is probably not one of them.

Genuine question:

Do you write music?

popstar7 - 19 Apr 2021 16:43:34 (#153 of 246)

I thought you were a rock fan, Chank.

tasselhoff - 19 Apr 2021 18:24:20 (#154 of 246)

Granite.

jamalade - 19 Apr 2021 18:40:27 (#155 of 246)

A troll throwing a rock and watching the ripples.

ChankNolen - 20 Apr 2021 09:01:27 (#156 of 246)

'I thought you were a rock fan, Chank'

I like the stuff that still shows its influences from blues, R&B and jazz. The whiter the music becomes, the less I like it.

'A troll'

This is twice in two days that I've been accused of trolling when, as usual, I am trying to construct a coherent argument which you simply may not like.

Agaliarept - 20 Apr 2021 09:19:00 (#157 of 246)

I am trying to construct a coherent argument

It's not your position alone that earns you the accusation, it's the sweeping generalisations and the lack of engagement when others try to discuss with you.

Of course you're not a troll Chank but you have to admit you use some troll tactics when it pleases you.

ChankNolen - 20 Apr 2021 09:38:42 (#158 of 246)

Funnily enough, about this time a year ago my son was learning Smells Like Teen Spirit for Trinity Drums Grade 6, so I picked up the guitar to play along.

The guitar is basically four power chords, E-A-G-C, played with a capo in the first position.

Now I totally get that simple can be effective, but really the only thing that lifts it out of the mundane is Grohl's switch-up between the A and B parts. The angry but precise drums in the B part are what makes this tune effective.

Agaliarept - 20 Apr 2021 09:47:47 (#159 of 246)

How does any of that change the fact that KC was able to write songs that managed to hit the mark in terms of what people wanted to hear?

Yes the tunes are simple, yes Dave's drumming is ace (little fact: a lot of the drum patterns on Nevermind were written by Chad Channing as Kurt wrote most of these songs before Dave joined. Not sure how this affects your argument about Dave being the actual talent in Nirvana) but if Dave's drumming was the only good part, how come his previous band (Drain Bamage) never broke through?

It's totally fine to not like something. No one would challenge that statement.

But to stand up and shout that Nirvana weren't actually important, that Kurt couldn't write a smashing pop rock tune and that the band won't be remembered is just being contrary for the sake of it.

It get's you about as much respect as those people who try to look cool and say the Beatles weren't that good.

AlanII - 20 Apr 2021 09:48:48 (#160 of 246)

3

2

1

ChankNolen - 20 Apr 2021 09:54:31 (#161 of 246)

'But to stand up and shout that Nirvana weren't actually important, that Kurt couldn't write a smashing pop rock tune and that the band won't be remembered is just being contrary for the sake of it.'

That wasn't my argument. I've already said that Nevermind was, within the parameters of its genre, an important album.

My point was that Cobain would have run out of steam, because of his limitations as a musician and (I might add) because the alienated young man things wears thin pretty quickly.

When we think about musicians who have long careers (I mean, where they continue to have artistic validity, not just a long afterlife touring as an oldies act), its invariably because there is a capacity to transcend genre limitations and embrace all aspects of the human condition. I don't think Cobain, had he lived, would have had that staying power.

RosyLovelady - 20 Apr 2021 09:58:52 (#162 of 246)

There's no redemption in this world for alienated young men, it seems.

Agaliarept - 20 Apr 2021 10:01:30 (#163 of 246)

My point was that Cobain would have run out of steam, because of his limitations as a musician and (I might add) because the alienated young man things wears thin pretty quickly.

The mistake you've made here though is to assume that Nirvana would be Kurt's only artistic output.

What you would know if you were a fan (totally not your fault), is that Kurt was already looking beyond Nirvana when In Utero was released.

He was trying to organise collaborations and song writing partnerships (that for varying reasons didn't come to fruition). He saw Michael Stipe, someone who has had a long career, as his ideal and was hoping to work with him.

You can't discount any part of KC's life as every part of him obviously went toward his artistic ability, but had he not succumbed to his mental illness who knows where he would have gone.

So in effect, I can partly agree with you that Nirvana probably wouldn't have ended up like the Stones but that doesn't mean KC wouldn't have had a longer career.

Agaliarept - 20 Apr 2021 10:08:11 (#164 of 246)

It's so common to think that an artist you don't like isn't talented, if the art doesn't speak to you directly than it's easy to miss the point.

Most people recognise this and stop making these broad generalisations when they're teenagers though.

Like this: I am a metal fan primarily. I have no problem accepting that The Ed Sheerans seem to have a knack of writing a hit. I'd go so far as to say that little ginger twat is a talented hit writer.

ChankNolen - 20 Apr 2021 10:17:28 (#165 of 246)

'It's so common to think that an artist you don't like isn't talented, if the art doesn't speak to you directly than it's easy to miss the point'

That's assuming that there's no objective measure of artistic worth though. In terms of pure commodity value, that may be true: but I'm not going to apologise for thinking that someone who basically knows one chord shape is likely to produce a less interesting body of work than somebody who has a bit more musical nous.

Whether, as you suggest, Cobain would have eventually transcended the limitations of his extant body of work is obviously unknowable. But compare and contrast with that other member of the 27 club, Jimi Hendrix. We know that Jimi was already bored with the blues rock that made his name at the time he died, because he was already reaching out and experimenting in other genres, and with other musicians.

ChankNolen - 20 Apr 2021 10:20:58 (#166 of 246)

And it is not just about whether art 'speaks to you directly'. There is plenty of music that leaves me cold emotionally that I can nonetheless appreciate from a more dispassionate standpoint, in terms of scale of ambition, technical excellence, production techniques, or in terms of songwriting, application of well-worn musical techniques of emotional manipulation.

Agaliarept - 20 Apr 2021 10:25:58 (#167 of 246)

We know that Jimi was already bored with the blues rock that made his name at the time he died, because he was already reaching out and experimenting in other genres, and with other musicians.

We also know the same about Cobain but as I said, as you aren't a fan and clearly haven't done any wider reading about the band, so why would you know this?

in terms of scale of ambition, technical excellence, production techniques, or in terms of songwriting, application of well-worn musical techniques of emotional manipulation.

But see it's this sort of post that get's you accused of trolling. You could take each one of those points and directly attribute them to Nirvana.

Ok, maybe not technical excellence because the point of Nirvana was to face away from that as it had sucked the life out of rock for the previous 15-20 years.

But it's such a massive mistake to assume that because Cobain chose to play the way he did then he must've been technically a bad musician.

Seriously you're talking out of your arse on this. I'm not blaming you as it's clear you haven't read anything about the man but the idea that KC didn't know his instrument is laughable.

ChankNolen - 20 Apr 2021 10:51:31 (#168 of 246)

'But it's such a massive mistake to assume that because Cobain chose to play the way he did then he must've been technically a bad musician'

Occam's Razor suggests somebody using a capo and basically playing the same chord position on every song is not secretly running through the Giant Steps changes every night.

Agaliarept - 20 Apr 2021 10:53:51 (#169 of 246)

Occam's Razor suggests somebody using a capo and basically playing the same chord position on every song is not secretly running through the Giant Steps changes every night.

Like I said, if you don't read about this stuff you can't be blamed for not knowing it.

Repeating your error won't change the fact though.

I'm going to leave this now. If you're interested in challenging your own reckons, go have a read about the guy. You might surprise yourself.

ChankNolen - 20 Apr 2021 10:55:59 (#170 of 246)

Occam's Razor is not infallible though. According to Mick Wall's AC/DC book, Malcolm Young secretly played Wes Montgomery licks in his downtime.

Antimatter - 20 Apr 2021 11:03:20 (#171 of 246)

I prefer Nickelback.

LomaxFairchild - 20 Apr 2021 13:56:15 (#172 of 246)

To my ear, Nirvana were the Pixies/Husker Du with a pretty front man, so rock's musical canon would have been none the poorer had they never existed.

popstar7 - 20 Apr 2021 14:08:02 (#173 of 246)

I think you underestimate the importance/necessity of a hugely charismatic/pretty frontman.

LomaxFairchild - 20 Apr 2021 15:19:08 (#174 of 246)

Not at all - I totally get that they needed Kurt to make it big - the market for Bob Mould posters is, err, limited, after all. But musically Nirvana didn't tread new ground that other bands of the time hand't already covered.

Agaliarept - 20 Apr 2021 15:31:01 (#175 of 246)

But musically Nirvana didn't tread new ground that other bands of the time hand't already covered.

I don't think even Kurt would claim to have invented the sound. He was always very open about the influence The Pixies had on his sound.

He somehow managed to make his version into chart hits.

Maybe it was simply him as frontman because I always thought The Pixies wrote amazing pop tunes.

Sunfish - 21 Apr 2021 00:08:26 (#176 of 246)

Nirvana were absolutely brillliant, Foo Fighters are complacent cockrock. That is all.

jamalade - 21 Apr 2021 03:53:12 (#177 of 246)

The troll worked well.

RosyLovelady - 21 Apr 2021 09:00:15 (#178 of 246)

I've always been a devotee of 12-bar blues music with its three chords. By some standards expressed here, this must mean I'm a musical simpleton.

Tant pis.

ChankNolen - 21 Apr 2021 11:57:31 (#179 of 246)

That doesn't necessarily follow, but if you want to describe yourself as a simpleton I wouldn't drag myself over hot coals to stop you.

RosyLovelady - 21 Apr 2021 12:00:25 (#180 of 246)

I thought you said up-thread that even four chords per tune were far too few. Profuse apologies if that was some other simpleton.

GreenFuture - 22 Apr 2021 00:00:42 (#181 of 246)

Mozart, Prince, George Michael, Freddie, Zappa, Hendrix, Eva Cassidy.

I cheated.

Peacock - 22 Apr 2021 05:26:46 (#182 of 246)

Cobain knew his limitations that’s why he brought in another guitarist. Plus he was a brilliant pop songwriter. His stuff will be covered and plundered one day.

Shadrack22 - 09 Jan 2022 22:25:18 (#183 of 246)

Georges Seurat

Antoine Watteau

Vincent Van Gogh

Giorgione

Egon Schiele

Caravaggio

Shadrack22 - 09 Jan 2022 22:27:41 (#184 of 246)

John Keats

Sylvia Plath

Joe Orton

Emily Bronte

Albert Camus

Christopher Marlowe

popstar7 - 09 Jan 2022 22:30:21 (#185 of 246)

Could you say Shakespeare dying at 52 was premature?

Shadrack22 - 09 Jan 2022 22:35:28 (#186 of 246)

Probably a good age in those days, though Ben Jonson lasted until 65.

Lawlsie - 09 Jan 2022 22:41:58 (#187 of 246)

Hendrix

Marc Bolan

George Harrison

John Lennon

Amy Winehouse

Jim Morrison

NoobRomeo - 09 Jan 2022 22:58:31 (#188 of 246)

Jimi, Janis, and Jim.

Strummer, Curtis, and Bolan.

Basquiat, Harding, and Schiele.

Female artists seem less inclined to die early.

popstar7 - 09 Jan 2022 23:12:57 (#189 of 246)

James Gandolfini

51 when he died. He did, I think, enough stuff after The Sopranos to think that he had a lot more to offer. In terms of actors' deaths that was one of very few that really upset me. I think it's fair to say Tony Soprano is the greatest TV acting performance ever.

MrPurple - 09 Jan 2022 23:50:28 (#190 of 246)

Martyn Bennet

Gordon Duncan

Stan Rogers

carterbrandon - 10 Jan 2022 00:10:44 (#191 of 246)

Peter Bellamy. He was wrong about himself.

Macpaddy - 10 Jan 2022 00:27:43 (#192 of 246)

I got to post # 160 and still no mention of Prince.... so I've turned out the light and stopped my fruitless search for a huge loss.

darkhorse - 10 Jan 2022 06:51:57 (#193 of 246)

As the more famous musical people have already been rescued above, I will resurrect these others:

Mark Sandman (Morphine)

Smiley Culture

Keith Flint (Prodigy)

Will Sinnot (Shamen)

downbuzz - 10 Jan 2022 15:03:04 (#194 of 246)

Kurt Cobain - though he would probably would have topped himself the following month as he had 'suicide genes.'

John Lennon - always opinionated, but fun with it. Might or might not have any more decent music.

Jimi Hendrix - cos it's Hendrix.

Amy Winehouse - I was just starting to like her.

Kirsty MacColl- Just seems like a nice person who should have been around longer.

Brian Jones- They were better when he was there. Not sure if was even still in the band but it might have been interesting.

Lawlsie - 10 Jan 2022 15:06:17 (#195 of 246)

Not sure if was even still in the band but it might have been interesting.

I think he'd been sacked just before he died? Or left the band. Not sure why.

Shadrack22 - 10 Jan 2022 15:07:24 (#196 of 246)

He was sacked a few months earlier.

Lawlsie - 10 Jan 2022 15:07:40 (#197 of 246)

Why?

Shadrack22 - 10 Jan 2022 15:08:10 (#198 of 246)

For being unreliable and out of it due to drugs use.

Lawlsie - 10 Jan 2022 15:11:21 (#199 of 246)

Ah right. Think he formed the band in the first place didn't he? I'm not sure I'd bring him back if I had the chance. I think Mick Taylor was a fine replacement though they treated him appallingly.

downbuzz - 10 Jan 2022 15:16:13 (#200 of 246)

He was sacked a few months earlier.

He was sacked a few months later.

downbuzz - 10 Jan 2022 15:18:14 (#201 of 246)

Talking of absurdist comedy, I think Peter Cook still had some funnies in him. I'll save him instead. Cook in, Jones out.

Lawlsie - 10 Jan 2022 15:19:17 (#202 of 246)

Yes I think that's probably a good call. Though why not have both?

brennschluss - 10 Jan 2022 15:22:04 (#203 of 246)

Prince

Ty

King Tubby

Cliff Burton

Bon Scott

Jam Master Jay

NoobRomeo - 10 Jan 2022 15:32:48 (#204 of 246)

Peter Cook was 58 which while early by most standards is harder to characterise as premature.

NoobRomeo - 10 Jan 2022 15:33:40 (#205 of 246)

The same age as Prince, coincidentally.

Lawlsie - 10 Jan 2022 16:47:00 (#206 of 246)

I'd say these days 58 is pretty premature.

NoobRomeo - 10 Jan 2022 17:18:58 (#207 of 246)

Perhaps we have different notions of mortality.

popstar7 - 10 Jan 2022 17:20:49 (#208 of 246)

An actor could have decades of their best work ahead on then at fifty. Singers/musicians (and writers) p, probably not.

Lawlsie - 10 Jan 2022 17:25:17 (#209 of 246)

I just think 58 is rather young to die but then I'm 65 so I guess I would say that!

NoobRomeo - 10 Jan 2022 18:21:00 (#210 of 246)

Science proves it: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51812725911_64
7d6f45bf_k.jpg

darkhorse - 10 Jan 2022 20:51:59 (#211 of 246)

Guardian has reminded me of one:

Stuart Adamson of Big Country

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/jan/10/big-country-how-we-made-chance-stuart-adamson-bruce-springsteen-checked-shirts?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

AdonisBlue - 10 Jan 2022 21:14:57 (#212 of 246)

Non. Premature deaths are often part of the reason why artists become legendary. Who wants to see Hendrix selling margarine or Lennon making the Frog Chorus anyway?

darkhorse - 10 Jan 2022 21:17:34 (#213 of 246)

Perhaps we need am alternative thread: artistes to go back in time and assassinate to preserve their youthful mystique.

AdonisBlue - 10 Jan 2022 21:24:50 (#214 of 246)

Yes! Not so much mystique as sad tendency to produce shite or sell out to advertisers/media as they get older. Yes there are exceptions.

McCartney, ALL punks and punk journalists esp Burchill, Elton John (when he quit drugs and started droning on and on about rehab), all of the Stones. I'll stop there for now.

Please no personal abuse.

Lawlsie - 11 Jan 2022 17:28:57 (#215 of 246)

Another vote for Lowell George. Playing Feats Don't Fail Me Now. What a great band. What a sad loss. Taken far too soon.

DonkeyOT - 11 Jan 2022 17:31:34 (#216 of 246)

Yes! Not so much mystique as sad tendency to produce shite or sell out to advertisers/media as they get older.


Roderick.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 11 Jan 2022 17:33:13 (#217 of 246)

- preserve their youthful mystique.

+ save us from having to listen to them.





I'm looking at you, Taylor Swift!

angelico - 11 Jan 2022 17:35:52 (#218 of 246)

Good call on Stuart Anderson, darkhorse.

MrPurple - 11 Jan 2022 20:56:57 (#219 of 246)

Just going to swing through to add a vote for the very lovely Kirsty MacColl, and to leave this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACa4TlVod_w

tasselhoff - 11 Jan 2022 21:58:25 (#220 of 246)

Aww, that takes me back

RosyLovelady - 13 Jan 2022 08:04:24 (#221 of 246)

#214

I agree with Lord Adonis.

downbuzz - 13 Jan 2022 08:48:10 (#222 of 246)

I'm looking at you, Taylor Swift!

The haters gonna hate (hate hate hate hate)

Just shake it off Kitten.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 13 Jan 2022 11:12:33 (#223 of 246)

bleurgh.

NoobRomeo - 13 Jan 2022 13:31:45 (#224 of 246)

What are you?! Some kind of sick perverted Jake Gyllenhaal stan?!

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 13 Jan 2022 14:10:08 (#225 of 246)

I must be.

Can I just say one thing? BUY ANOTHER FUCKING SCARF AND STOP MOANING ABOUT IT, ALREADY.

NoobRomeo - 13 Jan 2022 14:44:24 (#226 of 246)

IT WAS A UNIQUE SCARF. IT HAD MEMORIES, YOU MONSTER!

phantlers - 13 Jan 2022 14:47:43 (#227 of 246)

Otis. Jimi. Jerry.



latterly, Amy and George.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 13 Jan 2022 15:05:08 (#228 of 246)

AND - MORE IMPORTANT - I WAS ABLE TO MOAN ABOUT THE SODDING SCARF TWICE AND MAKE YUUUGE $$ FOR IT FROM MY FANS.

NoobRomeo - 13 Jan 2022 16:09:00 (#229 of 246)

YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY NEVER OWNED A SCARF SO YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE PAIN.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 13 Jan 2022 16:49:46 (#230 of 246)

True. I also haven't made a career out of dating people and then wailing about how badly they treated me by, uh, having their sisters not return a scarf, or something.

Peacock - 13 Jan 2022 17:50:51 (#231 of 246)

Good call -> Lowell George

Macpaddy - 13 Jan 2022 17:53:50 (#232 of 246)

Does anyone have any idea what those two old washer women Noob and Fluffy were prattling on about?

Lagopus - 13 Jan 2022 18:05:07 (#233 of 246)

I think it was scarves.

tasselhoff - 13 Jan 2022 18:33:59 (#234 of 246)

If you went back in time what makes you think you could stop a death (natural or not)? You'd be given a beating by security and left in the gutter.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 13 Jan 2022 20:14:53 (#235 of 246)

That's what you think.

*taps nose*

downbuzz - 14 Jan 2022 02:17:42 (#236 of 246)

From the fiction I've seen, every time you go back in time to change things with good intentions, you end up making things ten times worse.

darkhorse - 14 Jan 2022 06:10:16 (#237 of 246)

steps out of time machine after returning to present. faintly heard from kitchen radio, announcer says, “next up, Ebony and Ivory by the great Hendrix and Lennon”.

MontyPeculiar - 18 Jan 2022 16:25:31 (#238 of 246)

Billy Mackenzie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ATVl0FhuRM

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OldLefty - 28 Feb 2022 17:10:39 (#240 of 246)

Mozart

Thomas Linley

Mendelssohn

Pergolesi

Purcell

Schubert



Reserve: Reubke

RosyLovelady - 04 Mar 2022 19:05:47 (#241 of 246)

Judee Sill

Laura Nyro

redginger - 16 Mar 2022 21:00:30 (#242 of 246)

Henry Purcell

Elgar

Verdi

Gilbert and Sullivan

Bizet

John Lennon.

Tagyourit - 16 Mar 2022 21:04:35 (#243 of 246)

Iain M Banks

Lemmy

Bon Scott

Randy Rhoads

Cliff Burton

Terry Pratchett

angelico - 17 Mar 2022 06:37:13 (#244 of 246)

Banks and Pratchett sorely missed. I thought that Ian M Banks in particular had scarcely begun. A devastating loss.

We had a thread here called "gasping for hydrogen" where we were anticipating what turned out to be his last book in the culture, The Hydrogen Sonata. And then he was gone. Bugger.

Tagyourit - 17 Mar 2022 06:54:44 (#245 of 246)

I choose to believe that his "death" was a Special Circumstances cover up as he was returned home after preparing Earth for joining The Culture.

angelico - 17 Mar 2022 06:57:34 (#246 of 246)

Heh! I'll choose that too, Tag!

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