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Started by Ebadlun on 10-Sep-2017 16:14:30
Slay some musical icons

I'm sure this thread has been done, but whatever.

I really hate Ella and Louis. Not individually, but their records together are complacent coffee shop music that just says 'aren't we amazing jazz icons?' with every note.

There. I said it. What unimpeachable idols would you like to re-evaluate, preferably with swearing?

Shadrack22 - 10 Sep 2017 16:28:31 (#1 of 226)

Bob Dylan. Alright in small doses, but not very interesting musically. The Beatles made a quantum leap in four years from Love Me Do to Tomorrow Never Knows. I don't hear that kind of experimentation or progression in Dylan. Where are the bassoon solos?

upgoerfive - 10 Sep 2017 16:32:12 (#2 of 226)

Meh. The beatles were mince.

A mop-topped boy band who had the good fortune to be teamed up with a producer who was bursting to try out some new ideas.

barkis - 10 Sep 2017 16:32:58 (#3 of 226)


It was admittedly 10 years from "Highway 61 Revisited" to "Blood on the Tracks" but I think they are very different, and "Desire" just a year after BotT is very different again.

TRaney - 10 Sep 2017 16:33:36 (#4 of 226)

Where are the bassoon solos?

That question answers itself

Berman221 - 10 Sep 2017 16:35:22 (#5 of 226)

Jeff Buckley. That unfortunate intermission between yodelling and the X factor.

Shadrack22 - 10 Sep 2017 16:36:27 (#6 of 226)

I'm right now listening on headphones to Do It Again by Steely Dan and there is a level of musical sophistication there that is light years ahead of Dylan.

TRaney - 10 Sep 2017 16:38:16 (#7 of 226)

And a lyrical sophistication that would never have happened without Dylan.

barkis - 10 Sep 2017 16:39:21 (#8 of 226)

Musical sophistication isn't really Dylan's thing, given his folk background.

breakfast - 10 Sep 2017 16:40:59 (#9 of 226)

Dylan - can go with that.

I like Ella's coffee shop singing.

upgoerfive - 10 Sep 2017 16:41:38 (#10 of 226)


SteveFrench - 10 Sep 2017 16:41:49 (#11 of 226)

Dylan as a writer is brilliant. He just wasn't a great singer. He started quacking sometime in the 70s and couldn't stop.

Bleu11 - 10 Sep 2017 16:42:54 (#12 of 226)

Signs of the fall of the elites in our civilization: in 2016, the best the US politics could muster was a Trump v Hillary election and, of all the living people of letters in all the languages in the world, Dylan was thought to be the one worthy of honor for the Nobel prize.

SteveFrench - 10 Sep 2017 16:43:02 (#13 of 226)

I have never understood how Elton John had a career as a performer either. Or Elvis Costello.

breakfast - 10 Sep 2017 16:55:04 (#14 of 226)

Ella doing Mack the knife

breakfast - 10 Sep 2017 16:59:47 (#15 of 226)

darkhorse - 10 Sep 2017 17:10:37 (#16 of 226)

Although I did tap my toe to "Like A Rolling Stone" as a student, I never really "got" Dylan. I used to try once every few years. Probably time for another go.

breakfast - 10 Sep 2017 17:12:43 (#17 of 226)

How does it feel, how does it feel?

darkhorse - 10 Sep 2017 17:16:42 (#18 of 226)

Other stuff I don't really get: Led Zep and Pink Floyd.

I remember being at my cousin's house years ago, him and his (male) mates were geeking out of some songs on the stereo. When I politely enquirer who it was, they looked at me with a mixture of pity and horror that I hadn't recognised the great Syd Barrett.

TRaney - 10 Sep 2017 17:59:32 (#19 of 226)

Oh Barrett is horseshit

SGM1A1 - 10 Sep 2017 18:09:41 (#20 of 226)

A mop-topped boy band who had the good fortune to be teamed up with a producer who was bursting to try out some new ideas.

What was stopping him before The Beatles came along?

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