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Started by garrick92 on Sep 10, 2011 1:41:08 AM
Prog Rock: Where is it now?

<settles back to listen to The Nice>

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Valens - 10 Sep 2011 01:43:26 (#1 of 805)

It is in the past.

Qrobur - 10 Sep 2011 06:40:23 (#2 of 805)

Where it was always; nowhere.

helio1234 - 10 Sep 2011 07:07:38 (#3 of 805)

The sound of the musical fascist seeking to attack any musical style that he doesn't personally like.

No doubt he thinks that Joe Strummer was some sort of God.

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MakzV2 - 10 Sep 2011 08:12:28 (#5 of 805)

The sound of old Qrobur trying to wind people up, as is his wont.

Funny how many people there are who, like myself, like King Crimson and the Clash.

It is in the past.



That is what you think. In fact it is all around us:

Italy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jhmnHuh5uA

Belgium

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM5h53oEpkg

The UK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efsm6aJPybg

Japan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysCeaED_6Eg

Mexico

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE72rD0Pr7Q&fea
ture=related


The USA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF2wYD0HcvI

MaisonLazlique - 10 Sep 2011 08:18:16 (#6 of 805)

Muse are fairly prog, aren't they? There's always an undercurrent of overly-florid, over=intense and over=long going on somewhere.

The problem with the term "prog" is it's a retrospective one, and everyone seems to include different people, who often have nothing in common (except, maybe being a bit po-faced and disliked by the labeller).

With this in mind, and on the assumption that the word is to be used only in a derogatory sense, to mean the overblown, pompous and overbaked I say the spirit ives on in Coldplay, Razorlight and fucking Keane.

MakzV2 - 10 Sep 2011 08:37:23 (#7 of 805)

A lot of the best prog bands were anything but po-faced. Just because you can play an instrument very well does not mean you have to be po-faced. I mean, Zappa? Gong? Hatfield and the North? Not much po-facery going on there.

Qrobur - 10 Sep 2011 08:55:15 (#8 of 805)

It's true Zappa wasn't po-faced. He was under the misapprehension he was subversively funny when in fact he was a tedious little twit.

MaisonLazlique - 10 Sep 2011 09:04:29 (#9 of 805)

Wouldn't call Zappa prog for a minute.

helio1234 - 10 Sep 2011 09:05:58 (#10 of 805)

Funny how many people there are who, like myself, like King Crimson and the Clash.



we are in agreement

I don't like The Clash but I know many people ,of a certain age and (often political) disposition do so it would be churlish, indeed, to condemn something that has such popularity.



I saw gong about 10 years ago in North London somewhere. I scoffed a whole lot of someone's chocolate brownies not realising that they were 'those sort of brownies' and spent the concert trying to convince people I was 'Gino Latino' a famous Salsa dancer from Brazil.

MakzV2 - 10 Sep 2011 09:53:12 (#11 of 805)

Wouldn't call Zappa prog for a minute.

Not always, but in what way is this not prog?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtkZxnkbjtI

or this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg6X2hsl52E

Almost definitve prog I would say.

I saw gong about 10 years ago in North London somewhere. I scoffed a whole lot of someone's chocolate brownies not realising that they were 'those sort of brownies' and spent the concert trying to convince people I was 'Gino Latino' a famous Salsa dancer from Brazil.

LOL! But really, what sort of brownies did you expect to encounter at a Gong gig?

MaisonLazlique - 10 Sep 2011 10:30:50 (#12 of 805)

I'd call both those Zappa tracks "jazz", and the second one is all about the funk.

But that is the problem with labels (man), there isn't really a definition, and although I'm sure the next post will include a definition, it should be remembered that someone just made it up.

The term plainly means different things to different people, and has done at different times. So to mean anything NOW, does the music have to be progressive or does it have to sound like something made by men with beards in 1970s Because that would be the opposite of progressive.

Perhaps we can have some defining features?

MakzV2 - 10 Sep 2011 11:23:58 (#13 of 805)

I never thought the term had any meaning. For me, it means music played with (mainly) rock instruments that is usually fairly long, complex and tightly arranged, which describes the Zappa perfectly. I believe that in the USA today, it gets called "math rock".

None of these terms mean anything leterally though, do they? Classical, Jazz, Rock, Prog, Blues, Punk....

The only use I have for them is that it makes it a bit easier to find the music you are looking for in shops or on the internet.

I mainly subdivide music into "Stuff I like" and "Stuff I don't like", and both categories are very diverse. I like JS Bach, King Crimson, Richard Thompson, Steely Dan, The Clash and Tom Waits. I don't like Brahms, ELP, Bob Dylan, The Eagles, The Ruts and Neil Young. Right now, I am listening to Throbbing Gristle! What, if anything, does that say about me? I neither know nor care, really.

geektragedy - 10 Sep 2011 11:30:34 (#14 of 805)

Muse are most excellent.

Weren't Yes the definitive prog rock band?

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MaisonLazlique - 10 Sep 2011 11:31:52 (#16 of 805)

I was thinking of Traffic, so there you go.

FleurDuMal - 10 Sep 2011 11:33:01 (#17 of 805)

Weren't Yes the definitive prog rock band?

Yes were the most God-awful shite I've ever heard. On track lasted for an entire album side. The best thing about Yes was the artwork on their album sleeves.

Also shite: Emerson, Lake & Palmer.

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FleurDuMal - 10 Sep 2011 11:35:36 (#19 of 805)

My tastes have always been more towards metal.

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