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Started by SlasherBindman on Sep 5, 2015 7:40:31 PM
The Krays

Fifty years after their criminal heyday and with a new film about them released this week, why do they continue to have a hold on the imagination?

foxybrown - 06 Sep 2015 13:45:17 (#19 of 34)

Vallance Road gone? You sure?

My mum worked for Charlie Kray in the 60s, in a garment factory he owned.

I hate when they died and they said the East End turned out for them, it passed through where I live and a few old people stopped. It was hardly Lady Di like weeping and throwing of flowers.

Intowntonight - 06 Sep 2015 13:49:25 (#20 of 34)

No Vallance Rd is still there.

A few more years it will be full of wine bars, art galleries, smart shops etc - if not already.

solomongursky - 06 Sep 2015 14:20:38 (#21 of 34)

Their house:

The Krays family home once stood on the spot where these modern houses now are, at 178 Vallance Road in Bethnal Green. The Kray twins continued to use the house well into their adult life and their mother Violet Kray finally left 178 Vallance Road in 1967, when she moved into a new council flat in Shoreditch. The plaque outside the houses reads: 'Rosehaugh self build housing initiative. Inaugurated by HRH The Prince of Wales, 15 September 1988'. 178 Vallance RoadBethnal GreenLondonE2 6HR

solomongursky - 06 Sep 2015 14:22:55 (#22 of 34)

Vi moved to Braithwaite House, overlooking Old Street, ninth floor.

whitbreadtrophy - 06 Sep 2015 15:04:52 (#23 of 34)

I hate when they died and they said the East End turned out for them, it passed through where I live and a few old people stopped.

I was in Stratford when Ronnie's funeral cortège passed by. People stopped and looked because of the sheer size of it (and maybe to see if they could make out Babs Windsor behind the smoked glass of her limo) but it hardly seemed to make much of an impression otherwise.

Arjuna - 06 Sep 2015 15:08:40 (#24 of 34)

I'm torn on this one, I usually hate all the Kray twins bollocks but Tom Hardy is a damned fine actor and has already played a very convincing gangster in Peaky Blinders.

Macpaddy - 06 Sep 2015 15:20:25 (#25 of 34)

There was talk of them having an incestuous relationship with each other. Anyone know any more about this?

My father knew a few people who had dealings with the Krays and they all loathed them. Two of them are still around and they rile up at the sight of Barbara Windsor.

RosyLovelady - 06 Sep 2015 15:27:18 (#26 of 34)

I remember there was talk along those lines in the 1960s, Mac, but no more than that.

Macpaddy - 06 Sep 2015 15:30:44 (#27 of 34)

Very unlikely that there would be any concrete proof, Rose. If anyone found out they're probably wearing concrete boots.

RosyLovelady - 06 Sep 2015 15:36:36 (#28 of 34)

I got quite tearful when I saw The Krays, seeing how Reg treated his wife, Frances. I read somewhere that she tried to get the marriage annulled on the grounds on non-consummation. Anyway, she died of an overdose, the poor girl.

Macpaddy - 06 Sep 2015 15:50:47 (#29 of 34)

Must have taken some courage to try to get the marriage annulled on those grounds. Why, in god's name did she ever marry him?

RosyLovelady - 06 Sep 2015 15:57:01 (#30 of 34)

Swept off her feet at a very early age, pursued relentlessly by this rich, overpowering character. I suppose. And I've no doubt she believed he'd change his controlling ways once they were married: a common enough mistake.

donttellhimpike - 06 Sep 2015 15:57:11 (#31 of 34)

Why, in god's name did she ever marry him?

Sociopaths can be extremely charming and persuasive.

Macpaddy - 06 Sep 2015 15:58:50 (#32 of 34)

Tell me more, you charmingly persuasive hunk, you.

Leftie - 24 Sep 2018 14:42:23 (#33 of 34)

I've never seen the recent Krays film. It's about a particular incident isn't it?

pranzingfrogg - 30 Sep 2018 22:15:15 (#34 of 34)

A mate of mine who had a short stint as a debt collector in east London (he hated it and got another job asap) said he sometimes came across people who spoke fondly of the Piranha Brothers, but he reckoned it was intended to scare him off rather than genuine nostalgia.

I used to go to the Krays’ watering holes, the Blind Beggar and Grave Maurice, sometimes in the 80s. They were still very “local” locals and quite scary. I believe the Beggar is still going, probably as a theme pub.

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