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Started by xbod72 on Aug 11, 2019 12:36:41 PM
Are there any taxes on begging?

Sometimes, particularly I imagine in the right-wing press, they like to tell us that some metropolitan beggars make quite a high income.

Let's imagine that they do. Let's say it's £100 a day. Is that income liable for tax? Let us say they have a fixed abode they're returning to.

widenation - 12 Aug 2019 17:24:12 (#1 of 39)

You need to buy a permit in some Scandinavian towns.

GyratingTrampoline - 12 Aug 2019 18:14:43 (#2 of 39)

I think buskers are supposed to complete a self assessment and pay income tax but since its the informal economy they can get away with not bothering

indlovubill - 12 Aug 2019 18:15:45 (#3 of 39)

Somewhat like being a hedge fund manager I suppose.

moto748 - 12 Aug 2019 19:09:13 (#4 of 39)

Considering a new career post-Brexit, xbod?

TheVoiceOfReason - 12 Aug 2019 19:12:24 (#5 of 39)

On a related note, and in the spirit of enquiry, not in a trying-to-prove-beggars-are-liars way, do homeless shelters really charge for accommodation? Beggars on the tube often ask for “£x for a hostel bed”. Charging for a bed in a homeless shelter sounds odd to me but I know nothing of how such things are organised.

Tinymcsmithy - 12 Aug 2019 19:15:40 (#6 of 39)

There are hostels and ‘hostels’.

Ginmonkey - 12 Aug 2019 19:17:59 (#7 of 39)

Homeless shelters or night shelters eg those that offer street homeless people a bed for the night mostly do not charge, some might charge a nominal fee of a couple of quid.

Longer term homeless " supported housing" do charge.

xbod72 - 12 Aug 2019 19:19:32 (#8 of 39)

Moto, I nearly put this in the "personal" folder which isn't google indexed so that I could speak more openly. Since it's not in that folder I have to jolly along and just pretend I'm just curious about things.

TRaney - 12 Aug 2019 19:40:41 (#9 of 39)

Who needs a taxi when you've an Audi parked round the corner?

xbod72 - 12 Aug 2019 21:48:21 (#10 of 39)

Well, I would. I can't drive.

darkhorse - 12 Aug 2019 23:13:02 (#11 of 39)

I doubt begging counts as "gifts", so in theory is taxable at the appropriate rate for self-employed entrepreneurs.

mikeshadow - 12 Aug 2019 23:31:51 (#12 of 39)

I’m not sure that beggars would be considered as self employed. They are receiving donations not getting paid for providing a service.

opaz__ - 12 Aug 2019 23:37:43 (#13 of 39)

The 'Right' don't approve of taxes at all. They certainly wouldn't suggest taxing beggars. If you think they might, you're misunderstanding the situation. You're thinking of the Left. They're the ones who do tax

AlanII - 13 Aug 2019 06:41:12 (#14 of 39)

It’s the new Tory manifesto pledge, Lower Taxes for Beggars. It’s an ever growing demographic under them so, they may be on to a winner.

CarlosFandango - 13 Aug 2019 06:58:07 (#15 of 39)

The Right do tax pretty thoroughly, opaz.

Pretending otherwise is juvenile.


SaffronSunrise - 13 Aug 2019 07:37:42 (#16 of 39)

They certainly wouldn't suggest taxing beggars.

I agree with Opaz--------------

They tend to prefer exclusion orders & prison sentences, innit.

indlovubill - 13 Aug 2019 07:43:40 (#17 of 39)

The Right do tax pretty thoroughly, opaz.

Principally by placing the burden of tax on the lower orders.

Tenesmus - 13 Aug 2019 07:47:34 (#18 of 39)

Are they claiming benefits as well as getting £100 a day, the sponging bastards?

CarlosFandango - 13 Aug 2019 07:56:23 (#19 of 39)

Begging, claiming benefits, enterprise allowance, free prescriptions, 6-bedroom detached council houses in gated communities, brace of gleaming Audis on the gravelled drive, jobseeker's bonus, free school dinners, full dental plan, PIP, Gstaad, lobster, tickets to Wimbledon, Glyndebourne...

RosyLovelady - 13 Aug 2019 07:58:43 (#20 of 39)

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