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Started by surferboogiewhatever on Jul 30, 2020 7:08:16 PM
One question for a teacher and one for a lawyer.

Bouncing around ideas for a (remotely) possible novel.

1. Is there any plausible, fair, not-a-storyline-in-itself reason for a very young male candidate to be chosen over a middle-aged, experienced female candidate for a primary teaching job? Needs to be compatible with the woman being a good teacher, just not quite what they are looking for. She is not local, he is - could that be a factor?

2. What would happen if someone wanted to leave money in their will to a relative whose current whereabouts are not known? Can you do it without giving their address? Would it be "formerly of X"?

widenation - 31 Jul 2020 20:13:49 (#1 of 41)

I've often felt that I would have an advantage if I lived relatively close to a job location. No moaning about the commute etc.

helbel - 31 Jul 2020 20:16:58 (#2 of 41)

1. Cheaper to hire as less experience.

HouseOfLametta - 31 Jul 2020 20:21:18 (#3 of 41)

You can leave money to who you want. It's some other poor sod's job to sort it out after you're gone.

Avonlea - 31 Jul 2020 20:36:47 (#4 of 41)

1. What about subject specialism? Even at primary having a mix of disciplines on the team is helpful.

2. What Laz said.

JennyRad - 31 Jul 2020 20:39:12 (#5 of 41)

As well as helbel and Avon's very reasonable suggestions for 1, I would have thought that potentially "hurrah, a male teacher on staff"/"we are increasing diversity" was a possible reason too.

breakfast - 31 Jul 2020 20:42:38 (#6 of 41)

So he could be a cheap music specialist, the second male member of teaching staff.

surferboogiewhatever - 31 Jul 2020 20:43:07 (#7 of 41)

Thanks all!

widenation, the woman would be willing to move (wants to move to that area for other reasons - basically running away from something) but I can see that the employer might assume that would be a factor, I just wasn't sure whether they'd be allowed to take it into account.

I think subject specialism is the only one they'd be likely to openly admit to, so that's a definite possibility. It just needs not to be something where the reader would think "but she could have fought that decision" instead of going along with the ride of what happens instead.

redginger - 31 Jul 2020 20:43:51 (#8 of 41)

I thought male Primary teachers were unfortunately confined to history.

surferboogiewhatever - 31 Jul 2020 20:45:04 (#9 of 41)

The last time I worked in a school (as a TA, not a teacher) the male teachers were often PE specialists and I knew one who was an RE specialist (or at least they made him RE lead - I'm not sure if it was his original subject or just a case of "somebody's got to do it").

breakfast - 31 Jul 2020 20:47:55 (#10 of 41)

Novel writing tips by snoopy

JennyRad - 31 Jul 2020 20:49:34 (#11 of 41)

I just wasn't sure whether they'd be allowed to take it into account.

I don't think there's anything about distance-from-workplace that's a protected wossname, is there?

brooklyn - 31 Jul 2020 20:49:47 (#12 of 41)

<<"hurrah, a male teacher on staff"/"we are increasing diversity">>

they can puff that. "half the students are boys -- it would be a huge help for them to have a role model like Sam." or "Sam was an ace soccer player and can help coach the team, whereas she doesn't know a header from a penalty kick."

SharkPatoo - 31 Jul 2020 20:55:40 (#13 of 41)

Surely the answer to No.1 is "about £20K".

surferboogiewhatever - 31 Jul 2020 20:56:54 (#14 of 41)

All good stuff, thanks.

moto748 - 31 Jul 2020 20:59:45 (#15 of 41)

I was thinking the answer to the thread title was

"Would you like to meet a nice well brought-up young Jewish girl?"

frantastic - 31 Jul 2020 21:03:21 (#16 of 41)

Local education bods inclusivity policy says not enough men in primary education. Tokenism and all that.

HouseOfLametta - 31 Jul 2020 21:05:11 (#17 of 41)

What? Like The Hobbit?

limegreen - 31 Jul 2020 21:10:37 (#18 of 41)

Yeah, he'll be cheaper than her due to experience. As well as wanting a bloke, you could also argue you want a younger staff member if it will lead to a better balance of ages; you need youth and experience. And as a character he can easily be given a useful secondary skill or interest.

champagnerocker - 31 Jul 2020 21:12:15 (#19 of 41)

I cannot talk about primary schools, but in my secondary school department we went through a phase of only ever recruiting newly qualified teachers for about ten years. As has already been stated this was done for financial motives. Although in some places young inexperienced staff are also preferred as they do exactly what they are told without question because they don’t know any better and lack the confidence to question SLT.

I also worked with a (female) head of faculty for a decade who openly would always prefer to choose a male candidate for a job over a young female candidate (as we were only hiring NQTs there were never really any candidates over 40), because there was zero possibility of the male candidate vanishing for a year to have a baby. In case some people are suspecting that she had different motives and enjoyed being surrounded by men half her age she was a lesbian in a long term relationship.

surferboogiewhatever - 31 Jul 2020 21:16:26 (#20 of 41)

And as a character he can easily be given a useful secondary skill or interest.

Oh, he has. And it will be his downfall.

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