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Started by Shadrack22 on Dec 2, 2021 10:30:13 AM
What was the legacy of the hippies?

Environmentalism? The squatting movement? Tory rule from 1979-97?

Hippies and their legacy: talk about them here.

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Shadrack22 - 02 Dec 2021 10:38:51 (#1 of 206)

Robert Wyatt, interviewed in 1988: “With the best will in the world the people involved might have thought they were providing an alternative, but they were simply making the Establishment more flexible. So I’m not at all surprised that we have proceeded to vote in lots of incredibly right-wing and chauvinistic governments. I don’t see that as a reaction to the 60s, but as a direct result. What a pathetic thing to think: that you can just blow the castles down.”

mingmong - 02 Dec 2021 10:41:37 (#2 of 206)

The ecology movement, veganism, craft revival, self-help. All these things are mainstream now.

The hippies were never that numerous, and Wyatt is mistaken in identifying the hippy movement with the baby boom generation as a whole. But they were highly influential, despite being mocked and reviled throughout the intervening decades.

mingmong - 02 Dec 2021 10:44:00 (#3 of 206)

I don't buy the equation between Thatcherism and the hippy movement. People forget the socially conservative edge to Thatcherism, which I would argue motivated its base more strongly than the ideals of economic libertarianism

If anything, Thatcherism was a reaction against the progressive element of the 60s and 70s

RosyLovelady - 02 Dec 2021 10:46:57 (#4 of 206)

Thatcher was always very ready to forgive naughty boys who strayed from the highest standard, as long as they weren't wets.

Snarlygog - 02 Dec 2021 10:55:26 (#5 of 206)

Exposed more of society to Eastern philosophical practices outside of some eccentric victorian adventurer - Meditation,Buddhism,Taoism, Yoga had ann increase in exposure.Holistic therapies.

Tadagee - 02 Dec 2021 10:59:08 (#6 of 206)

Charging people £500 to realign their chakras, £200 for a 50p crystal that contains essence of Moongoddess or a glass of water with something or other diluted to 1/10000000000000000 for £50.

Stuff like that, mainly.

Tinymcsmithy - 02 Dec 2021 11:01:48 (#7 of 206)

The hippies were a tiny minority, just like punks. Although punk had an arguably much more lasting cultural and political legacy. Hippies came and went between 1967-68.

Sure, some aspects of personal environmentalism has a link with hippies.

But squatting? That started with demobbed soldiers and continued with local activist groups with working class families in many cases, certainly until the 80s and 90s.

Tory rule from 1979-97, sod all to do with hippies and much to do with the labour and union movement becoming top heavy and complacent.

Snarlygog - 02 Dec 2021 11:04:58 (#8 of 206)

#6 Same sort of snake oil as Business consultants. Just prays to the credulousness of the spiritually deprived.

RosyLovelady - 02 Dec 2021 11:07:51 (#9 of 206)

Middle class hippies made squatting seem a bit trendy and exciting.

Delighted_User - 02 Dec 2021 11:07:55 (#10 of 206)

Tory rule from 1979-97, sod all to do with hippies and much to do with the labour and union movement becoming top heavy and complacent.

Well, quite. As far as I can see, in my lifetime Labour has relied too much on being not quite as bad as the Tories, which is a pretty low bar. And in 1979 they didn't even look that.

tasselhoff - 02 Dec 2021 11:09:43 (#11 of 206)

None of the squatting community I was involved with in the late eighties were hippies. A few punks though.

RosyLovelady - 02 Dec 2021 11:13:01 (#12 of 206)

Squatting was very cool in the late 1960s. It helped if you had some money behind you so that you could always move out and onward quickly if things didn't work out for whatever reason.

mingmong - 02 Dec 2021 11:14:35 (#13 of 206)

Plenty of crusties in that scene, iirc

Crusties = a punk/hippy hybrid. Largely extinct now.

Snarlygog - 02 Dec 2021 11:17:49 (#14 of 206)

There's a still a few lurking about in Devon and Cornwall.

TableTopJoe - 02 Dec 2021 11:21:08 (#15 of 206)

And especially Wales.

tasselhoff - 02 Dec 2021 11:22:23 (#16 of 206)

I thought all this crystal bollocks was post-hippy mumbo jumbo.

RosyLovelady - 02 Dec 2021 11:23:46 (#17 of 206)

I remember going with a friend to visit Jenny Diski (Simmonds as was) and her chums in their quite richly furnished Covent Garden squat in 1968.

KizzyK - 02 Dec 2021 11:24:38 (#18 of 206)

I know lots of punk/hippy hybrids, I'd say that's pretty mainstream, me & my partner might come into that category, we just might not look anything special, just a little alternative. My cousin too, looks straight up normal, ex fire brigade, massive punk music fan & photographer and now living in Hungary & setting up environmental volunteering groups. By crustie I think people mostly just mean 'folk with past their best locs that need some serious attention!

Lawlsie - 02 Dec 2021 11:40:44 (#19 of 206)

Hippy culture was lovely for men - free love! But awful for women. As Germaine Greer said The Pill gave women the right to say yes but took away their right to say no. Now women had no excuse for refusing to have sex and on top of that they'd be called prudes, squares and straights if they didn't agree to let men have free access to their bodies.

It was tough to be a so-called hippy chick and not have sex with whomsoever wished to have sex with you.

Some men from the hippy era admit this is true. How great it was for them.

It was Jenny Diski I think who said communes were all fine and good but in the end someone has to do the washing up. And that someone was nearly always a woman.

Shadrack22 - 02 Dec 2021 11:41:50 (#20 of 206)

The Wyatt quote is from Jonathan Green’s 1988 oral history of the 60s and the alternative society, Days in the Life. Loads of great interviews with the likes of Germaine Greer, Felix Dennis and Miles of International Times, as well as less well known figures. It starts with the Aldermaston CND marches and goes through to the Angry Brigade, the squatting movement and the demise of Oz magazine.

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