The killer for me is that when I ask (a) what they would do instead, and (b) what they could conceive of that would make them change their mind, I get nothing. Nada.

The (b) question is significant. There is, I reckon, nothing at all that would cause them to change. This after I have been clear about what would change mine - and yet it is me and those like me who are accused of having entrenched opinions.

Welcome to arguing on the internet.

I am wasting my time talking to anti-vaxxers

You must find a better way to spend your time. Life is short.

Assuming you mean vaccine, not the carpet cleaners, I think the whole area is one where emotional issues were ignored for too long, and now instead of people being able to take a balanced approach, they are faced with emotionally charged decisions of the life and death variety and go into panic mode, hiding totally from any further input, or else wanting to make people do what is good for them, with the same fervour.

I shall never forget my friend's Mum, whose eldest child was brain damaged by the whooping cough vaccine. She refused to vaccinate her second child. People treated her as though she was a nutcase.

Find a hobby, fenders I doubt you'll find many anti-vaxxers in here, maybe some though. I've never opted for the recommended vaccines when traveling to far off places though I do take anti malarial tablets.

Why's that billers? Are you concerned you might be rendered autistic?

There's no point in talking to antivaxxers in the same way there's no point with climate change deniers.

They dismiss scientific evidence as fraud so there is no starting point for discussion.

Wot Tad said.

It's necessary to talk to anti-vaxxers a little bit, in order to build up a resistance to them. But once you've done that, you should be safe for a few years at least.

heh

Hahaha!

On reflection, this is one of the only occasions when a homeopathic dose might have been appropriate.

This will never ever get tired.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg2CQqMaU1I

Why's that billers? Are you concerned you might be rendered autistic?

I'm not entirely happy with mass vaccination

But are happy to ponce off the herd immunity effect of mass vaccination?

Cunt.

I had the usual jabs as a kid, bar TB. I got myself jabbed for yellow fever and one or two others when I went to Zambia yomks ago. I'll never bother with the flu jab.

Some years I've had the flue jab; others I haven't bothered. It doesn't seem to make the slightest difference.

But them I'm just an anecdote, and not a peer-reviewed statistic.

I've had a flu jab for the last few years and haven't had one bout of it since. Also anecdote obviously.

How does this work?

Is it a social duty to have all the vaxes available? Should we make it a legal requirement, like taxation or seat belts?