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Started by Yersinia on Aug 8, 2015 11:51:07 PM
Doping in sport

Blood doping, PEDs... Talk about it here.

Yersinia - 09 Aug 2015 00:06:04 (#1 of 416)

The Beijing athletics meet should be interesting, headlined by Gatlin v Bolt.

nac1001 - 09 Aug 2015 09:30:33 (#2 of 416)

Thanks for starting the thread. The STimes reckons 34 big city marathon winners are suspect.

Brunothecat - 09 Aug 2015 09:34:52 (#3 of 416)

There is now so much money up for grabs in the industry I am not surprised people use any tactics they can to win. Its the spirit of the age.

Samsonite - 09 Aug 2015 09:55:11 (#4 of 416)

Doping in sport is a competition between two teams of chemists, the designers and the detectors.

Yersinia - 09 Aug 2015 09:57:23 (#5 of 416)

On the whole, I think the drugs are designed for kosher medical purposes, but then their performance-enhancing potential is spotted.

Yersinia - 09 Aug 2015 10:10:15 (#6 of 416)

The initial reports focussed on medals won in endurance events at the Olympics and World Championships. In that analysis, the marathon was unusually clean, with only six medals won by athletes with anomalous blood levels, compared to 29 in the 1500m:

1,500m - 29

20km walk - 28

800m - 16

5,000m - 15

3km steeplechase - 15

10,000m - 15

50km walk - 13

Heptathlon/decathlon - 9

Marathon - 6

Samsonite - 09 Aug 2015 10:29:32 (#7 of 416)

That may be small beer compared to figures for power events, cycling,sprinting, weight lifting, short course swimming, etc.

tasselhoff - 09 Aug 2015 10:32:34 (#8 of 416)

Sure. But the blood anomalies are specific to endurance events.

Arjuna - 09 Aug 2015 10:36:31 (#9 of 416)

The STimes reckons 34 big city marathon winners are suspect

The key word is suspect, unless there is damning evidence what can authorities do?

Samsonite - 09 Aug 2015 10:44:35 (#10 of 416)

Careless reading on my part.

Yersinia - 09 Aug 2015 12:51:06 (#11 of 416)

I think that how the authorities can, and to some extent, do respond, is to follow up these suspicious blood results with more frequent tests, in and out of competition, for athletes who have anomalous blood test results.

London marathon organisers have said that they will conduct more tests themselves, and their umbrella organisation will also conduct more out-of-competition tests:

The other thing that is available now, that was not available during the years when most of these data were collected, is the biological passport.

Yersinia - 09 Aug 2015 13:02:55 (#12 of 416)

If three of those London marathon victories were by one "unnamed athlete", and one was by Liliya Shobukhova, then that only leaves three (could be male or female) unaccounted for.

BasilSeal - 09 Aug 2015 14:20:58 (#13 of 416)

The other thing that is available now, that was not available during the years when most of these data were collected, is the biological passport.

Didn't the guy who made that recent documentary find that by micro dosing EPO he was able to get acceptable results in a biological passport?

tasselhoff - 09 Aug 2015 14:21:44 (#14 of 416)

I think you're right.

Arjuna - 09 Aug 2015 14:25:15 (#15 of 416)

There aren't many people with three victories and some are going back a bit

Yersinia - 09 Aug 2015 18:11:24 (#16 of 416)

The three remaining could involve one, two or three athletes.

I didn't see the recent documentary, but from the reports I heard, yes, Basil is right

I suspect this means that similar dosing regimes would also go unnoticed in the large datset analysed for ARD / ST, so the estimates of doping prevalence are probably too low. And those estimates really only cover blood doping and EPO use, not steroids etc.

Yersinia - 09 Aug 2015 21:40:30 (#17 of 416)

Kelly Holmes, speaking to the Times, calls for lifetime bans for drugs cheats:

nac1001 - 09 Aug 2015 22:00:34 (#18 of 416)

Becky Adlington is annoyed that Sun Yang won the swimmer of the meeting award in Kazan after a doping ban.

Yersinia - 09 Aug 2015 23:16:01 (#19 of 416)

He's been causing controversy all round.

Tricky though. If a sportsperson is banned for a length of time, and then returns, haven't they served their sentence, and should be treated like anyone else unless they re-offend?

His positive test was for the stimulant trimetazidine, and his defence that it was for a medical condition was accepted, so he only received a three-month ban:

BasilSeal - 09 Aug 2015 23:38:03 (#20 of 416)

I genuinely don't know what to think about the lifetime ban thing. OTOH, i think there's always a possibility for redemption, many sportsmen and women are very young, and under great pressure to perform, and the rewards for success are potentially huge. People do make mistakes and sometimes deserve a second chance.

However, given the high stakes, is a year's worth the risk? would the prospect of a lifetime ban be a greater deterrent?

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