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Started by Agaliarept on Feb 26, 2018 9:41:37 AM
Transgender wrestler forced to compete in girls tournament is booed after winning in final

A transgender athlete forced to wrestle in girls’ competition against his own wishes was booed by crowds after securing a second-straight Texas state title.

Mack Beggs, an 18-year-old senior from Euless Trinity High School near Dallas, entered the tournament in Cypress outside of Houston with an undefeated record.

He overcame Chelsea Sanchez, who he also beat for the title in 2017, in the final of the 110lbs division on Saturday, but video of the competition shows many spectators reacted angrily to his victory.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/t
ransgender-wrestler-competes-against-girls-forced-mack-beggs-texas-america-a8227601.html

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Agaliarept - 26 Feb 2018 09:42:20 (#1 of 22)

This is an interesting discussion. It came up in the media when Fallon Fox was getting attention in MMA.

What are poster’s thoughts on this? I’m not really sure I can see a way compassion for a person’s right to self identify sit squarely with fairness in sport. Although I admit I’m no expert and is it possible this isn’t actually an issue for the sport at all?

I thought this BTL comment was fair (bar the obvious lack of respect shown to Fox):

It's difficult to see how society will reconcile transgenderism with the principle of fairness in sports.

This situation is clearly wrong, as one female competitor is taking treatments which increase muscle mass in an event where strength is a huge factor. For any reason other than transgenderism, that would be a disqualifying factor.

Then we had Fallon Fox in MMA where a guy was competing in the women's division and essentially brutalising his opposition.

Unless two more categories in sports are created, Trans-man and Trans-Women, it's hard to see a fair solution.

Arjuna - 26 Feb 2018 10:06:05 (#2 of 22)

I think this case is a rarity, the wrestler is a transguy didn't actually want to be cometing against girls. There will be far more controvery around transwomen competing in women's events

Agaliarept - 26 Feb 2018 10:12:28 (#3 of 22)

There will be far more controvery around transwomen competing in women's events

Yes true. Hence the mention of Fox.

Just thinking about the subject rather than this case specifically.

popstar7 - 26 Feb 2018 10:21:26 (#4 of 22)

10 points

cozzer - 26 Feb 2018 11:19:41 (#5 of 22)

Held down for a count of 10 points.

SheikYerbouti - 26 Feb 2018 11:29:59 (#6 of 22)

10 spectacularly easy points here. Poor old Agalia. You should try a different schtick.

Agaliarept - 26 Feb 2018 11:32:15 (#7 of 22)

You should try a different schtick.

Different to what? Starting threads on subjects i'm interested in?

I mean I could make another boring Brexit thread so all the usual subjects could get together rub willies together but what would be the point in that?

SheikYerbouti - 26 Feb 2018 11:35:01 (#8 of 22)

Well, it would be -10 points all round as we'd all expect it to be bruno or someone.

SheikYerbouti - 26 Feb 2018 11:35:14 (#9 of 22)

Which, let's face it, is the main thing.

Agaliarept - 26 Feb 2018 11:35:39 (#10 of 22)

I'm not in it for the glory Sheik.

I don't need numbers to get by.

SheikYerbouti - 26 Feb 2018 11:36:15 (#11 of 22)

You poor fool. Its the 'likes' that counts, you know.

Agaliarept - 26 Feb 2018 11:37:58 (#12 of 22)

Iconoclast me.

downbuzz - 26 Feb 2018 12:01:23 (#13 of 22)

Who can I rub my willie with?

Agaliarept - 26 Feb 2018 12:03:48 (#14 of 22)

Depends, what's your poison?

I can do you a nice Brexit willy sesssion or possibly a Teresa May is old willy session or for the real connoisseur I can do you a Farage is mean willy session.

cozzer - 26 Feb 2018 12:11:50 (#15 of 22)

Doesn't the fact that wrestling is stratified by weight division help mitigate some of the issues here with different sizes between men and women?

Agaliarept - 26 Feb 2018 12:54:30 (#16 of 22)

Doesn't the fact that wrestling is stratified by weight division help mitigate some of the issues here with different sizes between men and women?

That makes sense. Especially with the type of wrestling in the header which is basically grappling.

I wonder if it makes a difference with sports like boxing or mixed martial arts though.

Arjuna - 26 Feb 2018 13:02:07 (#17 of 22)

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/games-chiefs-reject-australian-bid-to-ban-transgender-kiwi-weightlifter-20180226-p4z1tu.html

SheikYerbouti - 26 Feb 2018 13:08:32 (#18 of 22)

This is a strange argument really. On the simplest level it makes sense to complain, but then when you think about it every sportsperson is an individual who benefits from their particular heritage, genetic and otherwise. Nobody complains that Usain Bolt has an 'unfair' advantage because of his long stride, or Serena Williams because she's very physically strong. A transgender athlete may benefit from elevated levels of certain hormones, but they will certainly have obstacles to overcome that other athletes don't. And its only sport, at the end of the day.

Agaliarept - 26 Feb 2018 13:16:05 (#19 of 22)

Nobody complains that Usain Bolt has an 'unfair' advantage because of his long stride, or Serena Williams because she's very physically strong.

I actually agree that in non contact sports there isn't really a reason to separate men and women at all.

SheikYerbouti - 26 Feb 2018 13:32:45 (#20 of 22)

Not so much that, more that sport is an entertainment, and if one group of people has a general advantage over another group of people, then for the sake of creating a spectacle it is worth creating categories in which people can compete more competitively. This might be based on gender, or it might be based on weight as it is in many contact sports, or possibly some other things.

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