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Started by uranrising on Mar 3, 2016 10:58:49 AM
Poker

Discuss its finer points here.

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Heckler - 03 Mar 2016 11:08:18 (#1 of 52)

Used to play quite a bit online, realised two things 'I can't correctly calculate pot odds' and 'I am always over invested in pocket aces and kings'. Both of these things meant I was actually a bit rubbish.

Still games with the family are always a giggle.

xDiggy - 03 Mar 2016 11:09:29 (#2 of 52)

A group of us play after work most weeks. £5 in, winner buys a round in the pub after. Not much profit in winning at contemporary prices!

Agaliarept - 03 Mar 2016 11:16:43 (#3 of 52)

Played on line quite a lot when I smoked. I'd sit by the back door and smoke a joint and play poker. Made about £30million in pretend money.

Often thought about putting in some real money for online playing but just never been a gambler so never bothered.

Stopping playing poker has been an unfortunate side effect of giving up smoking.

Heckler - 03 Mar 2016 11:21:11 (#4 of 52)

When you play for real money it's very easy to assume that your ability to fleece the whales playing the penny/dollar games will translate to the 10/20 dollar games.

It doesn't, it probably would eventually but I didn't have the money to pay for the training. You have to play with money you don't need which I suppose is true of any gambling.

Agaliarept - 03 Mar 2016 11:32:02 (#5 of 52)

When you play for real money it's very easy to assume that your ability to fleece the whales playing the penny/dollar games will translate to the 10/20 dollar games.

Even with play money the difference between a $1/$2 game and a $50/$100 game is very noticeable.

clammy - 03 Mar 2016 11:33:31 (#6 of 52)

We would often have a 'Three card brag session' after closing time on a Friday. Decent blokes could turn into 'cheats'.

dreams99 - 03 Mar 2016 11:36:41 (#7 of 52)

I've played online quite a bit, entirely tournaments rather than cash play, so the losses are limited, although a lot of the 'tournaments' are very quick (single table knockout for example) so I can still lose plenty. I tend to play when I have a lot of spare time, ie when I'm unemployed and can least afford to do so.

Used to attend a poker night in a guy's house nearby once a week, but stopped that once we had the baby.

slicey - 04 Mar 2016 00:45:20 (#8 of 52)

I played a lot in the good old days of online when the games were really soft. At the end I was just over 1.0BB/hr player mainly four tabling at $1/$2 and some $2/$4 + bonus whoring rebates. It was very dull after the initial excitement of learning to play and I quit when the US brought in that law and the games thinned out and toughened up.

I wrote a bunch of semi-automation tools and briefly considered trying to earn a living at it but I don't think I could have handled the grind. I would be amazed if a lot of online low limit cash games are not full of bots now.

My Poker claim to fame is being quoted in The Psychology of Poker column in one of the magazines on the benefits of pretending to be a girl in online play when many of your opponents are dumb, young men who have been drinking.

opaz__ - 04 Mar 2016 01:08:31 (#9 of 52)

Nice.

(pretending to be a girl)

I'm no expert, but in my brief online poker career, the bots seemed vulnerable to outlandish bets - they just fold.

Anyhow, I read that a lot of online is corrupt (Gus Hansson) - they can see your cards

TheWarOnTerry - 04 Mar 2016 02:48:28 (#10 of 52)

I enjoy a few hands against The Machine (see below) but have never played seriously. My mum had a problem with gambling and an occasional lottery ticket and very occasional flutter on the nags does it for me.

http://www.pokerth.net/download.html

kiwizoidberg - 04 Mar 2016 03:11:19 (#11 of 52)

My friends and I used to play every winter Wednesday for a few years. Great opportunity to get together, talk shite and have some fun at the same time over tea and biscuits. Once or twice a year we would play a bigger game, $50 in, alcohol would be consumed at those games. I really miss poker nights.

TheWarOnTerry - 04 Mar 2016 03:13:09 (#12 of 52)

I could get into that, fixed stakes and the winner stands the drinks and treats for the next round.

kiwizoidberg - 04 Mar 2016 03:17:10 (#13 of 52)

It was an unwritten rule that if our big games finished early enough, we'd all head to the nearest pub/club with the winner buying the first round of shots.

kiwizoidberg - 04 Mar 2016 03:36:46 (#14 of 52)

We had one spinoff game called nads; that was an easy way to lose lots of money in a very short space of time. 3 cards dealt to each player, basic poker rules from high card to 3 of a kind, everyone holds cards about 6" off table, dealer counts 3-2-1-drop, winning hand of the non-droppers took the pot, losing hand(s) paid the pot, so it was very easy for the pot to grow. If only one hand stayed in, they took the pot, then the deal moved on and a new pot was started.

TheWarOnTerry - 04 Mar 2016 03:52:10 (#15 of 52)

One of my earliest jobs was as a lab technician on a 3-shift pattern in a steelworks. The early break on pay day (night) usually saw a round of 'shoot pontoon'* in the Cold Strip Mill with as many as a dozen or so in at a time. I've seen men lose a week's pay in fifteen minutes, and others who could clean up and regularly.

There were a lot of single men, those with families would look on in horror.

Dealer holds the pot. Everyone gets a card and the dealer plays them in turn for a nominated stake or a 'shoot' - the entire pot. Deal goes around three times, whence the dealer takes the pot.

Heckler - 04 Mar 2016 08:38:20 (#16 of 52)

I don't think I could have handled the grind.

There's a couple of very good books (Poker Nation and Big Deal) written about people who actually play poker for a living and it came over as a very depressing existence. A lot of them ended up working in call centres or flipping burgers as it was more interesting than grinding for a living 12 plus hours a day at low level poker.

OneOfOne - 04 Mar 2016 08:57:24 (#17 of 52)

We had a few muckaround games in the early noughties and I got into a stoner game when staying in a campsite in Byron Bay for 6 months. We had a few good players and I learned loads from them, came back fairly good I would say, in the scale of those holdem fiver a stack games that were all the rage late in the decade.

For a couple of years I used to play 2 pub games and 2/3 homers a week, all tournaments with no or one rebuy, fiver a stack. I did quite well at that, I could see I was one of the better players around but also that there were some others that were better. Playing became more tactical, and I had a nice table image as a strong and hard-to-read player.

3 hours to win 60 quid (one in 4 games at best), not the best way to make money really, not sure I would have cracked minimum wage! Certainly not if you include my stakes and pintage as business expenses.

The standards rose, more people came down to the pub games and stayed sober (regarded by me as practically cheating, if not at the game, cheating the landlady out of rent for your seat). People bitching about 'bad play' became more common and I have to say I did a bit of that moaning occasionally, when my big play was cracked by some fish drawing out for his whole stack and hitting a flush. I got over that, anybody playing for a fiver down the pub is having a laugh, not a professional. anyone who is good enough to be playing with 'real players' should be doing exactly that.

The fact that someone is playing down the pub for a fiver and then bitching about the standard of play speaks volumes about perception/reality.

Now the pub games are gone, and we play one homer a week down at old ron's by the beach. Pound a stack, rebuys are unlimited until the cutoff which is about 2 hours in. Not unheard of for me to sploosh 8 stacks in a game. winner gets half the pot, 2nd half of the rest, and 3rd gets what's left. It's a hilarious game, and nobody gets shirty if they get beat by a wack play, you laugh it off, chuck another quid in the tin and get a new stack.

Seems like I have found my level! Quid a stack, mates only, pissed and stoned (or not).

We have a guest this week, big dan who was the original instigator and clearly our best player (he actually does go to casinos and rinse people). Fun times, not sure if he will rinse us or we will rinse him. It's such a fishy game, could go either way.

slicey - 04 Mar 2016 09:03:27 (#18 of 52)

about people who actually play poker for a living and it came over as a very depressing existence.

Yes that life soon descends into sitting in your flat in your pants surrounded by pizza boxes and looking as ill as one dose if you spend 90% of your time in the pale blue light of computer monitors. There is a reason why people who do it for a living quickly turn to Tournaments.

OneOfOne - 04 Mar 2016 09:33:34 (#19 of 52)

I only met one guy who pays his rent from playing poker, everybody else including Dan the Man has a real job and plays as a hobby.

He had one of those fancy HUDs and showed me how it all worked. It was really another level of poker, playing the numbers, really fast decisions. At the end of the session he would review his logs and make sure he had stuck to his very strict grindem strategy. If his fold rate was off, he wanted to know if he was playing fishy or just had a weird run of cards.

I have to say it didn't look much fun, and I have never really been into playing online anyway.

slicey - 04 Mar 2016 10:27:53 (#20 of 52)

Yes I had Poker Tracker and and an overlay on the tables to show player stats and little icons that showed Rocks, TAGs, LAGs, Calling Stations, etc. Basically I played it like you would play a computer game not like how you play the actual game with friends.

I also wrote a little app that told me what to do pre-flop, based on hands, table position and actions prior to my turn based on the list of rules I had developed from playing (mostly Sklansky's rules modified for low limit online cash games). This made 4-tabling really easy as most hands are over with a few clicks and you just had to concentrate on the ones you end up playing post-flop.

The combination of solid pre-flop play and average post-flop was enough to be a winning player in the good old days. Although the limits of my ability were obvious in that I was not profitable in $3/$6 (the sweet spot for grinding) or when games got only a little bit harder after the US Fuck You Antiga legal changes.

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