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Started by SliceysLittleHelper on Dec 16, 2021 6:03:30 PM
Lost Christmas, I gave you my Sprout.

Whimsy R number suggests < 2000 posts before Xmas.

Ricolas - 09 Jan 2022 11:30:40 (#1941 of 2020)

And jelly?

Tomnoddy - 09 Jan 2022 11:48:29 (#1942 of 2020)

Bananas and custard. Jelly and condensed milk. Quite different.

Dubris - 09 Jan 2022 11:57:01 (#1943 of 2020)

Sounds right to me.

Dubris - 09 Jan 2022 12:12:54 (#1944 of 2020)

Gloom here as we've just had a proper look at the (very simple) new 'phone we bought for Mum before Christmas. On completing the set up, we get the message that the SIM is damaged or invalid. I suspect it's just too old, as it's a PAYG one from twenty years or so ago.

Mum is convinced that the 'phone is far too complicated for her ever to use, so if the SIM genuinely is broken (and yes, I did try taking it out and putting it back in again), we need the simplest option possible to avoid spooking her further.

Heigh-ho!

DejaLu - 09 Jan 2022 12:14:54 (#1945 of 2020)

I feel your pain, Dubs. My dad got my mother a simple smartphone for her birthday last month. Utter bafflement.

Dubris - 09 Jan 2022 12:20:13 (#1946 of 2020)

This is the simplest Doro clamshell 'phone. In principle it's hardly different to the cordless landline 'phone that Mum uses perfectly happily, but no - it's too difficult.

An actual smartphone would be like asking her to fly a jet fighter.

slicey - 09 Jan 2022 12:25:30 (#1947 of 2020)

If she had a jet fighter she could come to you and save you from Clackett Lane services.

Impedimenta - 09 Jan 2022 13:02:34 (#1948 of 2020)

New SIM (I'd go for GiffGaff), request PAC code for old SIM, transfer over number. If you order the SIM today it'll be ready for the next time you're down.

Would that work?

Ginmonkey - 09 Jan 2022 13:05:41 (#1949 of 2020)

Smart phones are more mini computers than phones, so I have huge sympathy for people of our parents generation who struggle with them.

We digital natives and immigrants sometimes forget how much easier it is for us to adapt to these changes.

The divide in how phones are regarded and used is really interesting. I am working on a project at the moment that involves landlines and the difference in generational attitudes to landlines is really interesting. As a general rule people under 45 barely consider them at all

Antimatter - 09 Jan 2022 13:16:04 (#1950 of 2020)

MaA was totally technophobic, mostly because she viewed any tech as being a blokey thing, and any attempt to get her to use it was perceived as an attack on her femininity.

binturong - 09 Jan 2022 13:20:54 (#1951 of 2020)

Jelly and condensed milk.

Evap, surely?

With PaBint's Doro it was possible to switch off all the smart bits so he only had to deal with calls, texts and voicemail. And could ignore the texts.

MysteryDate - 09 Jan 2022 13:22:12 (#1952 of 2020)

This is the simplest Doro clamshell 'phone. In principle it's hardly different to the cordless landline 'phone that Mum uses perfectly happily, but no - it's too difficult.

Teaching my mother to use her Doro very nearly broke me. I hope you find a solution Dubris (Impedimenta's sounds good)

carterbrandon - 09 Jan 2022 13:28:53 (#1953 of 2020)

I suspect these things come down to the absolute and almost abstract fundamentals of current UIs which were mostly set 30 years ago and for us are second nature, but which they never encountered. What a desktop is, selecting versus activating, dragging, nesting, icon versus its caption, stacking order, clipboard / copy / paste, window versus dialog box etc etc.

I wonder if they would 'get it' better if we didn't dive straight into demonstrating a set of steps, before we were sure they understood these concepts.

I'm no better with game interfaces, personally.

breakfast - 09 Jan 2022 13:33:13 (#1954 of 2020)

I’m generally at ease with my smartphone but can still be a bit dumb with it on occasion even though I’m only middle aged. Whereas teens, say, seem to use them with greater fluidity as though they were an extension of themselves.

DejaLu - 09 Jan 2022 13:46:40 (#1955 of 2020)

I suspect these things come down to the absolute and almost abstract fundamentals of current UIs which were mostly set 30 years ago and for us are second nature, but which they never encountered.

That’s it, exactly. My mother’s is a Doro smartphone, which is very simple, but you still need to understand about tapping on things, dragging and dropping, nesting etc.

slicey - 09 Jan 2022 13:47:39 (#1956 of 2020)

Kind of the whole concept of the desktop metaphor is that it's a metaphor for something people already understand.

Although mostly this approach failed and was fully abandoned once Steve Jobs died.

DejaLu - 09 Jan 2022 13:48:51 (#1957 of 2020)

I think the fact that my mother has never had any sort of office job makes the whole thing even more baffling to her.

DejaLu - 09 Jan 2022 13:51:15 (#1958 of 2020)

Speaking of my mother, we had this conversation earlier:

Me: Would you like to come round for tea later?

Aged P: That’s a very kind thought.

Me: I’m sensing a lack of enthusiasm.

Aged P: Well, it’s just that I’ve got some new garden shears from Wilkinson Sword and I was going to try them out.

Impedimenta - 09 Jan 2022 13:52:23 (#1959 of 2020)

En garde!

DejaLu - 09 Jan 2022 13:53:22 (#1960 of 2020)

Touché away!

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