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Started by GreenFuture on Sep 2, 2015 12:09:14 PM
Self Appointed Libertarian Twonks

Right-libertarianism is as simplistic and deluded an echo chamber/jerk circle as any school of thought I've come across.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/
02/twitter-tyrants-and-social-justice-warriors-beware-the-libertarians-are-coming-for-you?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet

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urbanspacemonkey - 02 Sep 2015 12:10:54 (#1 of 133)

Spiked are just silly people

GreenFuture - 02 Sep 2015 12:11:48 (#2 of 133)

Very true and concise, but let's not kill the thread just yet.

dottie30 - 02 Sep 2015 12:19:03 (#3 of 133)

Frank Furedi claims he's still a socialist doesn't he?

(Is he still penning stuff for Spiked?)

RoscoePColtrane - 02 Sep 2015 12:19:19 (#4 of 133)

The Guardian have acquired a tendency recently for hiding Australian content among their UK stuff. Very odd. If the UK media world is a pit of irrelevant self regard, how much worse to see stories from the Aussie media?

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Arjuna - 02 Sep 2015 12:20:44 (#6 of 133)

The history of the RCP morphing into Spiked is quite interesting, in a curious manner, but the actual stuff they put out is tedious beyond belief.

Winterborne - 02 Sep 2015 12:24:29 (#7 of 133)

Is my dossier wrong? I thought Arjuna used to be urbanspacemonkey?

Agree with both of them.

GreenFuture - 02 Sep 2015 12:24:32 (#8 of 133)

Yes Arjuna. A curious contrast.

GreenFuture - 02 Sep 2015 12:25:09 (#9 of 133)

I started a thread once called NTT Who Was Who. The mods pulled it.

Arjuna - 02 Sep 2015 12:27:04 (#10 of 133)

I was, I logged in with the old one by mistake. but as Spiked have gone through various guises, its appropriate.

BallyMoney - 02 Sep 2015 12:30:09 (#11 of 133)

Ive spoken of Spiked before, but Spiked is just one element. I knew Claire Fox and her clique when I was at Uni. The entire same clique are now still working together through orgs like institute of ideas, sense about science etc.

All these orgs are seemingly modern, NonProfit and independent but in fact they are all interrelated whereby they invite each other on their panels and pretend they dont know each other. Its a complete career reinforcing & media brand enhancing process.

The whole clique has connections with Frank Furedi who osensibly is a left wing academic but actually all the orgs are financed by big corporates particularly those in pharma and GM crops.

The fact that people loke Fox gets to pad her living on radio 4 shows how far they have reached. A little research and you will constantly surpriosed how the same names turn up - its a shakedown racket but a strangely nasty one.

GreenFuture - 02 Sep 2015 12:40:59 (#12 of 133)

Wow, thanks Bally. Grist to my anti GM mill is that as well.

breakfast - 02 Sep 2015 12:41:03 (#13 of 133)

They are an odd and unpleasant bunch. Were they all inculcated into a Furedi cult? What prompted his descent into this kind of thinking I wonder.

breakfast - 02 Sep 2015 12:42:12 (#14 of 133)

Money maybe. And hobnobbing with the powerful.

lusmeri1 - 02 Sep 2015 12:43:50 (#15 of 133)

Thanks, Bally. That reinforces my views about the Spiked mob.

breakfast - 02 Sep 2015 12:45:00 (#16 of 133)

Many communist types seem to morph into strange people eventually. Like Blairites and Janet Daley as well as the Furedi crew.

GreenFuture - 02 Sep 2015 12:46:50 (#17 of 133)

Neocons are stuffed with people who used to claim to be trots. We need time-machine based purges really.

Hankinshaw - 02 Sep 2015 12:47:01 (#18 of 133)

Self-Appointed Libertarian Twonks were much better in the 70s, when saying nasty things about the IRA used to get them shot dead in their driveway.

BallyMoney - 02 Sep 2015 12:50:38 (#19 of 133)

Lus / Green / breakfast

if you have an hour to spare on the internet, research these people - it really is very dodgy - its really like a cult but one which helps each of them onto careers in teh media and they all seem to invite each other onto their board as soon as they get funding for a new org.

Even if you dont disagree with some of their media messages it looks so weird.

Im surprised how the BBC and even the guardian have fallen for them.

the basic premise is to push a "seemingly modern" almost left veneer but which is then corporate financed and turns out to often be quite not so much liberatarian (I can respect those) but corporate - and then repeat over and over again with new orgs and conferences.

Once you find one or two you notice quote a few everywhere - its very professionally done. There are quite well know speakers who've gone to their events and havent realised whats happening.



You have to admire them in a way - it works very well - I mean has anybody actually asked why Claire Fox is on the radio so much and how she got there?

lusmeri1 - 02 Sep 2015 12:52:38 (#20 of 133)

I have, but nobody heard me.

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