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Started by Tripos on Sep 14, 2015 9:49:50 PM
How will Labour MPs ensure that a Blair like figure never emerges again?

Just asking?

Ok, I know the majority of Labour MPs these days seem to be Blairites but as far as I'm concerned they should join the Tory party as Blair should have done.

The Labour party of old, before the Blair reforms could well have won the 1997 general election.

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Anchorman - 14 Sep 2015 23:23:10 (#1 of 85)

The Labour party of old, before the Blair reforms could well have won the 1997 general election.



smirks

Fezziwig - 14 Sep 2015 23:24:57 (#2 of 85)

Sniggers.

Tangent - 14 Sep 2015 23:28:24 (#3 of 85)

Ensure there will never be a Blair-like figure again, and there will never be a Labour PM of any kind. The best Labour can hope for at the moment is some modus vivendi that gives all parts of the party something. That's not enough for victory, IMO, but it may stop the party shedding enough votes to push it into a further stage of crisis.

RoscoePColtrane - 14 Sep 2015 23:31:49 (#4 of 85)

Kinnock wasn't far from winning in 92. Someone with his policy platform would have done so in 97.

Brunothecat - 14 Sep 2015 23:32:17 (#5 of 85)

Ensure there will never be a Blair-like figure again, and there will never be a Labour PM of any kind.

You work in the cloning factory don't you? There can be o other explanation for such nonsense.

BristolBlue - 14 Sep 2015 23:33:10 (#6 of 85)

# 3 Sounds very much like wishful thinking.

Hilary - 14 Sep 2015 23:35:10 (#7 of 85)

Well, there's a lot of it about at the moment.

RoscoePColtrane - 14 Sep 2015 23:36:18 (#8 of 85)

Well thank god rgt is back to Tell It Like It Is.

Tangent - 14 Sep 2015 23:37:43 (#9 of 85)

But his platform in 1992 was not that far off New Labour's. The thinking which would lead there was present in a way which was absent from the soft left offering of 1987.

Besides, what New Labour aimed for successfully, and what all their successors should aim to do in their own way, wasn't just winning. It was securing a second term, having won the voters' trust. Only that will allow Labour the true leeway for change.

rgtstoppedcounting - 14 Sep 2015 23:39:29 (#10 of 85)

I wonder if I can summon up the interest to enquire who RoscoePColtrane is, or was?

It seems not.

Ebadlun - 14 Sep 2015 23:39:52 (#11 of 85)

Are you sure? You just made a post about it.

Brunothecat - 14 Sep 2015 23:40:03 (#12 of 85)

A successor to Corbyn with the same approach to not getting Folleted but without baggage from the past and enmity in the PLP would be better than another Blair.

Tangent - 14 Sep 2015 23:40:40 (#13 of 85)

Sounds very much like wishful thinking.



I don't see where a viable electoral coalition for Labour would come from. Without the Blairite strand, there are whole sections of the electorate the party needs but will not be able to connect with. As in the 1980s, these will either go Tory or LD.

rgtstoppedcounting - 14 Sep 2015 23:40:43 (#14 of 85)

Are you sure?

90% or thereabouts.

RoscoePColtrane - 14 Sep 2015 23:40:52 (#15 of 85)

I wonder if I can summon up the interest to enquire who RoscoePColtrane is, or was?

It seems not.

Asking would have been fewer keystrokes. Is that irony?

Ebadlun - 14 Sep 2015 23:42:01 (#16 of 85)

I don't care who RoscoePColtrane is, and I want everyone to know just how little.

RoscoePColtrane - 14 Sep 2015 23:43:33 (#17 of 85)

Speak for yourself. I find the speculation endlessly gratifying.

rgtstoppedcounting - 14 Sep 2015 23:44:07 (#18 of 85)

Well there's interest, and there's sparing a second or two typing.

Anyway, it's now a firm 100%. I prefer the whole anonymous admirer thing.

ToyDivision - 14 Sep 2015 23:55:00 (#19 of 85)

One quibble, Tangent. The LDs are still very weak. Do you really think they will take much off Labour in this parliament?

Tangent - 15 Sep 2015 00:04:32 (#20 of 85)

They might well need a kick start in one way or another, TD. Probably a by-election. If pushed, someone like Danczuk or Mann may do a Mellish and cause a Bermondsey.

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