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Started by JohnIlly on 12-Feb-2017 23:22:51
Tories propose clampdown on leakers and journalists

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/12/uk-government-accused-full-frontal-attack-prison-whistleblowers-media-journalists

The government has been accused of launching a “full-frontal attack” on whistleblowers over proposals to radically increase prison sentences for revealing state secrets and prosecute journalists.

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JohnIlly - 12 Feb 2017 23:43:15 (#1 of 50)

the definition of espionage should be expanded to include obtaining sensitive information, as well as passing it on.

No details are given as to what "sensitive information" is.

Lawlsie - 12 Feb 2017 23:44:42 (#2 of 50)

Anything Mrs. May doesn't like presumably.

It won't get past the Lords though; may even falter in the Commons.

I mean Brexit minister David Davis once resigned and called a byelection over the erosion of human rights and civil liberties...

Jacob_Richter - 12 Feb 2017 23:46:51 (#3 of 50)

Tories propose clampdown on leakers and journalists democracy

upgoerfive - 12 Feb 2017 23:47:33 (#4 of 50)

they could always release it to wikileaks (or other foreign news sites) , and then report that they are carrying it.

Oh, right - the internet censorship thing that they're also pushing for ...

Lawlsie - 12 Feb 2017 23:47:36 (#5 of 50)

Pointless. Stuff can appear on social media posted from outside the UK.

Lawlsie - 12 Feb 2017 23:48:22 (#6 of 50)

May is going into full dictator mode isn't she?

upgoerfive - 12 Feb 2017 23:49:54 (#7 of 50)

Pointless. Stuff can appear on social media posted from outside the UK.



See the internet censorship thing.

(I mean, you didn't really think it was about protecting The Smashers, did you?)

Lawlsie - 12 Feb 2017 23:52:35 (#8 of 50)

She's going to block our access to Twitter is she?

zardoz - 12 Feb 2017 23:59:07 (#9 of 50)

Imagine getting all your news from the Tweetster. What a life that would be.

Lawlsie - 13 Feb 2017 00:00:00 (#10 of 50)

Yes because that's exactly what I'm saying.

upgoerfive - 13 Feb 2017 00:00:07 (#11 of 50)

They are aiming for the power to block whatever they like.

The existing Cleanfeed system can block any site added to the blacklist, and effectively forge a 404 message for the site. It's been up and running for some years now.

All that would be required would be to add the offending site to the list.

Now, here's a mental exercise - why would the system be set up so as to send a 404 (site down) message to the user, rather than, say, an honest 'This Site has been Blocked' message?

machiavelli - 13 Feb 2017 05:50:17 (#12 of 50)

May is going into full dictator mode isn't she?

She's been trying that for years.

RosyLovelady - 13 Feb 2017 06:56:28 (#13 of 50)

It was an easy mistake, Lawlsie. Most of your "news" comes from Twitter.

col2001 - 13 Feb 2017 06:58:30 (#14 of 50)

Great comment, Rosy! I'm nicking that for Twitter!

lusmeri1 - 13 Feb 2017 07:15:32 (#15 of 50)

You tweet, col? I'm disappointed in you.

col2001 - 13 Feb 2017 07:45:57 (#16 of 50)

Er, no.

I was just channeling Lawlsie...

SinnerBoy - 13 Feb 2017 07:47:15 (#17 of 50)

What they want to do here is to cover up any wrong doing and criminalise any effort to get into the public domain, once official channels have been exhausted.

Who knows what any such legislation could cover? Corruption, nepotism, the truth about agreements with foreign countries?

We've seen a number of laws being abused, in ways which were never envisaged, or perhaps were .... in recent years.

bailliegillies - 13 Feb 2017 09:36:44 (#18 of 50)

No details are given as to what "sensitive information" is.



Anything the government doesn't want us to know, especially if it's likely to embarrass them.

This doesn't sound good at all, Wonder what Chapman Pincher would have made of it, likely from inside Belmarsh if he was still alive.

His Daily Express exposés caused untold misery for successive governments. Harold Macmillan wrote to his defence secretary at one point: "Can nothing be done to suppress or get rid of Mr Chapman Pincher?"

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/aug/06/harr
y-chapman-pincher-spy-catcher-dies

Lawlsie - 13 Feb 2017 11:38:56 (#19 of 50)

It won't happen. The Lords will block it. That's if it ever gets there.

BlankChank - 13 Feb 2017 12:26:13 (#20 of 50)

I suspect the underlying issue is that they know most officials are hostile to Brexit. Rather than trying to lead the civil service to accept Brexit through a positive process, they are putting them on warning.

The irony of this is that 95% of all leaks come from disgruntled Ministers and their SPADs, not civil servants. (Colette Bowe is an unusual counter-example, but she was a press officer at the point where the CoI was being steadily politicised by Bernard Ingham.)

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