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Started by JerkinMcGherkin on 29-Mar-2017 00:28:56
Brexit stage right pursued by a bear

Here we go, into the wide blue yonder...

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Brunothecat - 29 Mar 2017 00:40:14 (#1 of 11942)

Looks like this will be the place for news which hasn't been concealed, twisted or misrepresented by the British bullshit industry.

Michel Barnier‏Verified account @MichelBarnier Mar 27

My speech on #Brexit is on our website which will be our tool for transparency and public debate on negotiations

JerkinMcGherkin - 29 Mar 2017 00:51:14 (#2 of 11942)

Certainly more trustworthy than our press or S'no Hope and her three dwarves.

JerkinMcGherkin - 29 Mar 2017 01:08:58 (#3 of 11942)

Oh, and I saw in the paper that No 10/Tory Central Office has been trying to dissuade Tory MPs from holding "Article 50 parties" today.

Snarlygog - 29 Mar 2017 01:10:45 (#4 of 11942)

That could be a spark for a fight.

Smollett - 29 Mar 2017 01:34:42 (#5 of 11942)

"Andrew Rosindell MP for Romford holds a celebration for triggering article 50 tomorrow with local Conservative Party workers."

mikeshadow - 29 Mar 2017 02:14:12 (#6 of 11942)

Apparently The Sun has projected its headline onto a white cliff at Dover with the message:

"Dover and out"

ZimAgain - 29 Mar 2017 02:15:26 (#7 of 11942)

Here you go. Here you go.

mancurse - 29 Mar 2017 02:22:14 (#8 of 11942)

Goodbye, EU.

Fuck the Tories for causing this, and fuck all the thick racists who vote for them.

Snarlygog - 29 Mar 2017 02:28:33 (#9 of 11942)

Thanks EU for all the jobs and funds to help us get back on my feet.

TinyMcOtter - 29 Mar 2017 03:05:41 (#10 of 11942)

Hello 1950s.

buys brillcream.

clammy - 29 Mar 2017 03:06:41 (#11 of 11942)

Please forgive us Europe, we will be back cap in hand.I do hope this means the death of the Tory Parrty.

mancurse - 29 Mar 2017 03:08:10 (#12 of 11942)

The Tories will just blame the angry Brexiters for everything - you made us do it!

Catspyjamas16 - 29 Mar 2017 05:11:44 (#13 of 11942)

So long and thanks for all the fish

So sad that it should come to this

We tried to warn you all but oh dear

You may not share our intellect

Which might explain your disrespect

For all the natural wonders that grow around you

So long, so long and thanks for all the fish

The world's about to be destroyed

There's no point getting all annoyed

Lie back and let the planet dissolve(around you)

Despite those nets of tuna fleets

We thought that most of you were sweet

Especially tiny tots and your pregnant women

So long, so long, so long, so long, so long

So long, so long, so long, so long, so long

xbod72 - 29 Mar 2017 06:01:11 (#14 of 11942)

Happy Doomsday Morning all.

Andyourpointis - 29 Mar 2017 06:20:32 (#15 of 11942)

Stephen Bush:

Surreal to think that not a single living Prime Minister, including the incumbent, think this is a good idea.

Trying to think if there's a precedent for that. Loss of the American colonies?

Ludicrous Union flag in the room aside, the enormity of what she has set in train does appear to have hit May looking at the photo.

Andyourpointis - 29 Mar 2017 06:27:10 (#16 of 11942)

...Theresa May, the po-faced prime minister, is earnest, methodical, cautious and unimaginative: She is the anti-Trump. But the referendum mandate, hardened by her ploddingly literal interpretation of it, is populism undiluted

...Leaving the European Union after more than four decades involves excruciating trade-offs. But, rather than confront these, May’s government offers anesthetic waffle.

...The same obfuscation applies to the deep questions concerning Britain’s internal cohesion

...May’s tactic of prevarication has been assisted by several lucky breaks. A surprise recovery in the world economy has concealed the economic cost of Brexit;

...The foolish bravado of the Brexiteers, who assured voters that negotiating with 27 other countries would be a simple challenge, will be relentlessly exposed. British businesses, which for the past nine months have been implementing earlier investment commitments, will freeze plans for new expansion. The moment of truth for British populism has come a bit nearer.

peacalmer - 29 Mar 2017 06:32:59 (#17 of 11942)

Morning all.

Today's the day the pre-match posturing and frother-pleasing trash talk ends and the serious stuff begins.

FWIW, to the remainers out there, if you're after a beacon of hope, there's plenty of 'em if you know where to look.

Aside from all the bluster and bullshit, and morons waving the union flag, we've had David Davies' clear discomfiture whenever he's confronted with normal people talking about rights for EU workers (e.g. on QT last week), and Meh's letter, both indicating that they're about as likely to pull up the drawbridge and boot all forrins out as Juncker's likely to give Britain a Sicilian necktie to remind the other member states that the EU's like the mafia and the only way you can leave is with the assistance of a chain and some concrete boots.

Soft Brexit + the modification of people's mindsets to accept that even Remain would be better than No Deal is now the aim.

Project Fear is properly refocused on scaring the bejesus out of Brexiteers by pointing out just how shittier things will be if they get what they want.

We're seeing that already with Brexity farmers suddenly realising they're going to be losing their subsidies at the same time as all the tap for cheap labour from eastern Europe's turning off and the supermarkets won't raise prices high enough to cover the cost.

My money is still on the two year process being extended indefinitely while our government, behind the door, keeps looking for a way to not deliver a hard Brexit without the press noticing (or better, with the press doing a U-turn).

If they could communicate with the other EU leaders through telepathy they'd probably be saying "You know we didn't want any of this any more than you do but y'know, keeping up appearances and all that."

The EU might be tempted to punish us for this stupidity, but they also know that the sentiments that provoked the leave vote are complex and some of it is shared by other populations in other EU countries. They won't want to vindicate that discontent with total dismissiveness, let alone a vengeful or vindictive sadistic glee as they punish Britain for Brexit.

Although, "keeping up appearances and all that."


Andyourpointis - 29 Mar 2017 06:38:56 (#18 of 11942)

Soft Brexit + the modification of people's mindsets to accept that even Remain would be better than No Deal is now the aim.

Toes hanging over the cliff edge indeed, but May should have spent the past 8 months preparing the country for the above not insulting our intelligence by wittering on about red, white and blue brexits.

peacalmer - 29 Mar 2017 06:43:45 (#19 of 11942)

Yes, but it's politics in the UK and you can't expect politics in the UK to be anything more than shortsighted. We keep being told it's all about presentation, soft skills and all that. Well, what do you think happens when the politicians and the sensationalist press are in bed with each other and they both have to make it look interesting?

There's nothing unusual in all this. Just watch some old episodes of Yes Minister. Massive bit of crowd pleasing bullshit leads idiot politicians into the fire, officialdom and the civil service puts the fire out with obfuscation and detail, and judicious hints of skeletons in closets possibly escaping.

As Thatcher herself said, in her own words obviously, the genius of YM and YPM is that it's so close to the truth.

peacalmer - 29 Mar 2017 06:44:41 (#20 of 11942)

Heh. BBC playing "Fifty ways to leave your lover" behind a piece on Brexit.

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