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Started by machiavelli on 19-May-2017 07:56:27
May's Power Grab PtII - disenfranchisement

The Conservatives are to stop people from voting if they don't own a passport or a driving licence.

The plans to force people to show ID when they vote could stop millions of people from taking part in future elections.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cons
ervative-manifesto-general-election-2017-voter-id-laws-racist-voters-poll-latest-a7742666.html

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browserbutton - 19 May 2017 07:58:43 (#1 of 202)

I think most other EU countries force people to show ID when they vote.

machiavelli - 19 May 2017 07:59:15 (#2 of 202)

So what?

AlanII - 19 May 2017 08:01:33 (#3 of 202)

They have the right but, in practice, if you're known by the people presiding you're waived through. Only time I was asked for mine was when I first voted in quite a large Commune. Subsequently, I was recognised. Now that I live in a small one the presiders tend to be my immediate neighbours.

AlanII - 19 May 2017 08:02:32 (#4 of 202)

Obviously that won't be how it will go in May's version of it.

champagnerocker - 19 May 2017 08:02:33 (#5 of 202)

Frankly I've always been astonished that I can just stroll up to the polling station and say, Hi I'm champagnerocker and I live over there and the bod behind the desk just crosses my name off and lets me vote.

machiavelli - 19 May 2017 08:03:19 (#6 of 202)

Britain does not have an ID card system. Betcha May will use this to force one upon us.

The conservatives are the enemy of a free society and I mean "enemy" in the most literal and fundamental sense of the word.

machiavelli - 19 May 2017 08:03:51 (#7 of 202)

Frankly I've always been astonished that I can just stroll up to the polling station and say, Hi I'm champagnerocker and I live over there and the bod behind the desk just crosses my name off and lets me vote.

I'd be for presentation of the polling card. Nothing more is necessary.

AlanII - 19 May 2017 08:05:06 (#8 of 202)

Britain does not have an ID card system. Betcha May will use this to force one upon us.

Absolutely. Anti immigrant hysteria is at just about the right pitch to see it through.

machiavelli - 19 May 2017 08:15:47 (#9 of 202)

Welcome to Managed Democracy!

bailliegillies - 19 May 2017 08:23:42 (#10 of 202)

Betcha May will use this to force one upon us.



Betcha there cloned within a week and for sale on eBay within a fortnight.

Andyourpointis - 19 May 2017 08:28:14 (#11 of 202)

I'd be for presentation of the polling card. Nothing more is necessary.



Which proves nothing other than that you're a bloke who picked up a polling card - which is why they're deemed unnecessary currently.

If you show Id to pick up a parcel from the Royal Mail sorting office I'm not sure what the issue is here, May's personal authoritarian streak notwithstanding.

machiavelli - 19 May 2017 08:33:23 (#12 of 202)

I'm not sure what the issue is here

1) The sort who are least likely to vote for May are least likely to have a passport or other forms of ID

2) It is likely May's back door for an ID card system

RosyLovelady - 19 May 2017 08:42:38 (#13 of 202)

Kenneth Clarke says he's all in favour of ID cards.

machiavelli - 19 May 2017 08:43:54 (#14 of 202)

Fuck Kenneth Clarke then.

Rendered - 19 May 2017 08:44:21 (#15 of 202)

Rather you than me.

FrankieTeardrop - 19 May 2017 08:50:00 (#16 of 202)

Are you at an age where you're closed off from new experiences now, Rendered?

Agaliarept - 19 May 2017 08:51:35 (#17 of 202)

Do we have high levels of voter fraud in the UK then?

RosyLovelady - 19 May 2017 08:52:42 (#18 of 202)

Most of the small amount of fraud happens by the power of the postal vote.

Tagyourit - 19 May 2017 08:53:35 (#19 of 202)

I'm fairly relaxed about ID cards, if the government can supply a free, secure way of identifying oneself then all to the good. What worries me is more the database that's behind them and if there would be "mission creep"...

looneytoon - 19 May 2017 08:56:22 (#20 of 202)

This does seem to be a problem that does not really exist, but plays well.

If you turn up at the poling station, say that you are me, and they let you vote, then you have subverted (maybe) one vote. Try coming back and saying you are now you and voting again, and then do it as 20 other people, and by the end of the day you will have influenced almost nothing. Plus me and 20 other people will turn up sometime during the day.

The way we run our polls, on small ward basis makes it difficult to pull this off, and it is local only.

But tabloids can froth about it

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