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Started by GreenFuture on 14-Jun-2017 13:08:03
Public Inquiry To Be Held Into MI5 Links To Manchester Bomber And What PM Knew

Don't be stupid. That would be a sign of a functioning accountable society.

See post 1

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/31/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know/

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GreenFuture - 14 Jun 2017 13:08:08 (#1 of 73)

Manchester bombing: Draft letter to local MPs and Gtr Manchester Mayor:Dear

<nice intro para congratulating them on recent election results>

As you are probably aware, the mass murdering Manchester bomber, Salam Abedi, was linked to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group - an Al Qaeda affiliated organisation with strong Manchester connections, which was proscribed by the UK government in 2005.

However, despite constant warnings from the Libyan and broader Islamic community in Manchester about the nature of these people, control orders were lifted on the group in 2011.

This was to allow them to travel between the UK and Libya (later Syria), to carry out military operations in the respective civil wars in those countries.Theresa May was Home Secretary at the time and has serious questions to answer, which I think you have a duty to ask and report back on.These include:

1) What training, support or direction was given to these Islamist terrorists under her auspices beyond the lifting of control order restrictions?

2) What (if any) specific training, support, direction or other assistance was personally afforded to Salman Abedi by The British state? (He only returned to this country from probable terror activities shortly before murdering 23 people here and it is notable that the bomb he used in Manchester seems quite professional in its assembly.)

3) What is known about his military activities in the weeks prior to him bombing the Manchester Arena?

4) Given that many of these terrorists were routinely flagged and detained at airports on return from overseas operations, only to be released due to MI5 intervention, was Salman Abedi himself so flagged, detained and released shortly before that bombing?

It may well be that there is an attempt to not reveal answers such questions, due to operational reasons or reasons related to alleged security classification.

If so, please inform me of the precise nature of those blocks. It is important to know the extent to which this government is determined to keep support of terrorists secret from citizens even as such terrorists murder citizens in our own country.

Please call for a Public Inquiry into this matter, or let me know why you think state links and assistance to the Manchester bomber, and Theresa May's responsibility for them, aren't worth properly looking into.

Finally, could you please tell what you’ve done so far, and how you plan to use your position in coming months to challenge (and hopefully end) UK support for Islamic terrorism (via groups like LIFG) and Islamic extremism more generally, notably via sales of arms to Saudi Arabia. The use of such weapons in the slaughter of Yemeni people renders their sale illegal under international law. Therefore it is important that you do all you can to expose, confront and change the policy of this criminal, terror-supporting government.

I understand that some responses to requests as this can be generic, but I’d appreciate as much specificity as possible, especially around questions 1-4. No offence, but if I find your reply to be inexplicably vague or obfuscating, I shall be writing to you again for reasonable clarifications.

The people of Manchester especially have an absolute right to know what has been going on.

I sincerely hope you can help.

Many thanks for your time and best wishes

GreenFuture - 14 Jun 2017 13:15:09 (#2 of 73)

Goes without saying that if (say) Dianne Abbot had allowed this then the fascist headlines would have been blaring about little else in recent weeks.

We have a government and a press that aids and abets terror.

Yammoto - 14 Jun 2017 13:22:20 (#3 of 73)

I agree theres a lot of questions to be answered GF but going at it from the angle that the UK Govt "aids and abets" terror is a bit barking mad.

Far more likely that its cock up rather than conspiracy.

machiavelli - 14 Jun 2017 13:24:42 (#4 of 73)

the angle that the UK Govt "aids and abets" terror is a bit barking mad.

We aided the LIFG when they tried to bump off Gaddaffi. I know he's not the most sympathetic figure but they are Jihad Johnnies, and the blowback hasn't been trivial.

GreenFuture - 14 Jun 2017 13:26:35 (#5 of 73)

the angle that the UK Govt "aids and abets" terror is a bit barking mad.

Lifting control orders is an assistance. ("aids and abets" isn't a phrase from the letter btw)

I am not asserting conspiracy. If there has been a cock-up, do you think 23 dead people is cause for a public inquiry into said cock-up?

I agree theres a lot of questions to be answered GF

Do you think they are being properly asked, and in the right places?

GreenFuture - 14 Jun 2017 13:28:05 (#6 of 73)

We aided the LIFG when they tried to bump off Gaddaffi.

More pertinent is that we've aided them long after that. More pertinent again is the relative silence in the "news" media. That's not to say it hasn't been covered, but it seems to be going back on the shelves now, almost as if dead children don't count for so much after all.

Brunothecat - 14 Jun 2017 13:35:07 (#7 of 73)

It was Western backed terrorists who started all this recent wave off.

OBL was "our" boy in Afghanistan.

machiavelli - 14 Jun 2017 13:39:53 (#8 of 73)

It's a very old story - the Soviet Union supplied arms to Somalia. Siad Barre later switched sides to the Yanks and said weaponry ended up being used against Soviet interests in the region.

GreenFuture - 14 Jun 2017 13:42:11 (#9 of 73)

Thing is Bruno, re: OBL and that period of history: Once can be seen as unfortunate.

But this government has continued to support Islamic terror long after the lesson should have been learned.

There should be a public inquiry, and a prime person for scrutiny should be the current Prime Minister.

Watching the grilling that senior people in the US are getting at the moment makes me very angry that we don't have that level of probity.

It's almost as if the establishment is colluding to keep up their support of terrorists, even when those terrorists murder at home.

Brunothecat - 14 Jun 2017 13:53:11 (#10 of 73)

Once can be seen as unfortunate.

Well, the British loony right adore terrorists.

Not so long ago the Fderration Of Conservative Students were in the papers bragging about going "on patrol" all dressed up as bloody Actionman with the Nicaraguan Contras, Unita and other murder gangs.

They were definitley not trying to persuade them to abandon terrorism and use the ballot box.

GreenFuture - 14 Jun 2017 13:56:50 (#11 of 73)

Absolutely, and doubtless some are quite pleased at prospects of DUP supporting the government.

bluesea10 - 14 Jun 2017 14:05:42 (#12 of 73)

MI5 may have monitored the group but apparently didn't go far enough as to not "violate" anyone's civil liberties and human rights or islamists would have been neutralized in time. 

Brunothecat - 14 Jun 2017 14:07:37 (#13 of 73)

Absolutely, and doubtless some are quite pleased at prospects of DUP supporting the government.

I wonder what will happen to the Tories if the bombs start going off again in NI as a result of May's cynical lack of good faith.

bluesea10 - 14 Jun 2017 14:09:09 (#14 of 73)

P.S. Counterpunch is as biased as it gets. 

GreenFuture - 14 Jun 2017 14:17:06 (#15 of 73)

MI5 may have monitored the group but apparently didn't go far enough as to not "violate" anyone's civil liberties and human rights or islamists would have been neutralized in time.

Obfuscation. Control orders were lifted in order to factiliate their terrorism.Under a Home Sec that blustered about too much liberalism on human rights, liberalism towards Islamic terrorists was increased not because of human rights concerns, but for geopolitical purposes.

GreenFuture - 14 Jun 2017 14:17:44 (#16 of 73)

Counterpunch is as biased as it gets.

Control orders were lifted to facilitate terror. Doesn't matter who says it.

NoSleep - 14 Jun 2017 14:18:21 (#17 of 73)

P.S. Counterpunch is as biased as it gets.

You mean there isn't another article on the site praising her strength and stability for "balance"?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Agaliarept - 14 Jun 2017 14:39:25 (#18 of 73)

liberalism towards Islamic terrorists was increased not because of human rights concerns, but for geopolitical purposes.

I completely agree with you on this but what makes you think, knowing that is geopolitics you are talking about, that any government is going to put the rights of individuals above that?

Recognising that the government acts the way it does over these things for global reasons surely reduces the chance anything will be done about it?

thisonehasalittlehat - 14 Jun 2017 14:48:07 (#19 of 73)

This thread is like a twat-magne...

hang on I'm here aren't I.

gordonthemoron - 14 Jun 2017 14:49:25 (#20 of 73)

I wonder what will happen to the Tories if the bombs start going off again in NI as a result of May's cynical lack of good faith.

it won't be her fault, obviously

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