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Jacob_Richter - 10 Aug 2017 10:47:00 (#1 of 664)

Is the ethnicity of the perpetrators representative of CSE offenders in the UK?

Yes or no?

If it is, then she has a point. If it isn't, then she doesn't. And has she read the Jay report into what happened in her own town? It looks like not. And has she looked at what people like the NSPCC say on such an issue? It looks like not.

FrankieTeardrop - 10 Aug 2017 10:47:51 (#2 of 664)

"People are more afraid to be called a racist than they are to be wrong about child sexual abuse, a Labour MP has claimed"

...without supplying any evidence to support this claim.

FrankieTeardrop - 10 Aug 2017 10:50:16 (#3 of 664)

There are two elements to this claim. One is that people are afraid to be called racist, and the other concerning whether this fear, if held, has any basis in fact.

guigal - 10 Aug 2017 10:52:06 (#4 of 664)

Speaking on the BBC’s Radio 4 Today programme, Ms Champion said there was a need to 'acknowledge' that in all of the towns with similar cases 'the majority of the perpetrators have been British Pakistani'

Doesn't that just suggest that British Pakistanis are a majority of the British Muslim population?

Those prosecuted were from the Bangladeshi, Pakistani, Indian, Iraqi, Iranian and Turkish communities and mainly British-born, with most living in the West End of Newcastle.

Shabbyman - 10 Aug 2017 10:53:11 (#5 of 664)

It's not racist to say that Asians seem to like doing it in large gangs, which may make them easier to detect than the thousands of non-Asian offenders who act alone or in smaller groups like families.

FrankieTeardrop - 10 Aug 2017 10:55:15 (#6 of 664)

Better still, one could say that Asian paedophiles who operate as part of a large gang seem to like operating as part of a large gang.

FrankieTeardrop - 10 Aug 2017 10:56:10 (#7 of 664)

There's no reason to suppose operating in a large gang is exclusive to Asians, either.

guigal - 10 Aug 2017 11:05:08 (#8 of 664)

'Asians' is an odd term to use of Muslims. Like it would be odd to call the mafia in America 'Europeans'.

Shabbyman - 10 Aug 2017 11:10:53 (#9 of 664)

Not sure what point you're trying to make.

They aren't all Asian, they aren't all Muslim, but the majority of those prosecuted in cases like this are. Wbereas the vast majority of child sex offenders in this country are neither Asian nor Muslim.

indlovubill - 10 Aug 2017 11:48:22 (#10 of 664)

They aren't all Asian,



The woman in this particular case isn't Asian.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4775164/Police-paid-child-rapist-10k-spy-sex-parties.html

Wbereas the vast majority of child sex offenders in this country are neither Asian nor Muslim.



Link?

Economist - 10 Aug 2017 11:57:49 (#11 of 664)

People are more afraid to be called a racist than they are to be wrong about child sexual abuse, a Labour MP has claimed

Unfortunately, so true.

ThreeFlewOver - 10 Aug 2017 12:00:29 (#12 of 664)

Maybe I'm racist. Well, species-ist, technically, as I just find I can't bear trolls. Maybe it's because the only ones I've encountered have been sad, inadequate wastes of oxygen, and I shouldn't extrapolate from that to all of them.

lusmeri1 - 10 Aug 2017 12:00:56 (#13 of 664)

You appear to intuit new truths all the time, Economist. It's humiliating for lesser mortals like most of us, who have to rely on evidence.

Shabbyman - 10 Aug 2017 12:01:21 (#14 of 664)

The Ministry of Justice has provided us with more up-to-date figures on the sentencing for sex offences by ethnicity. These cover all sex offences sentenced at either crown or magistrates' courts in 2010, and show similar figures to the 2007: around 78 per cent of offenders were white, while 8 per cent were Asian

https://fullfact.org/news/are-asians-disproportionately-represented-prosecutions-sex-offences/

Economist - 10 Aug 2017 12:04:10 (#15 of 664)

You appear to intuit new truths all the time, Economist.

They're called opinions, Aunty Lus.

Even you cannot stop me from having one.

clammy - 10 Aug 2017 12:05:58 (#16 of 664)

Opinions about you are fairly boring and obvious.

Economist - 10 Aug 2017 12:07:36 (#17 of 664)

Thanks for your contribution Clammy.

Masterful.

lusmeri1 - 10 Aug 2017 12:09:24 (#18 of 664)

"you cannot stop me from having one."

I couldn't stop you from having an opinion even if I wanted to. And I'm entitled to mine, which is that you frequently claim something is true without presenting anything to back up your opinion.

solomongursky - 10 Aug 2017 12:10:04 (#19 of 664)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/82483
47/Are-white-girls-really-easy-meat.html


As at June 2009, there were 7,021 British men in prison for sex crimes, of whom only 234 were Asian. That is 3.3 per cent, rather less than the proportion of Asians in the population. And a 2008 study by Malcolm Cowburn of Sheffield Hallam University found that jailed sex criminals from ethnic minorities were less likely to have abused children than white sex offenders.

Shabbyman - 10 Aug 2017 12:11:19 (#20 of 664)

Nevertheless solomon, opinion.

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