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Started by Jacob_Richter on 01-Sep-2017 18:54:42
Trojan horse: the real story behind the fake 'Islamic plot' to take over schools

In 2014, documents alleging a conspiracy to Islamise Birmingham schools were leaked to the media, sparking a national scandal. The papers were debunked – but the story remains as divisive as ever. What really happened?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/01/troj
an-horse-the-real-story-behind-the-fake-islamic-plot-to-take-over-schools

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Jacob_Richter - 01 Sep 2017 18:55:56 (#1 of 127)

This seems the most apposite paragraph:

Three years after the Trojan horse letter surfaced, there is still no proof that a conspiracy existed. The central claim that remains about Park View and the other implicated schools is that they had become too Islamic, that some invisible line was crossed from the compulsory level of religion that schools must provide to the point where it was “undue”. But in an education system that is not secular, such as Britain’s, there is no unambiguous way to draw such boundaries.

Followed by this:

Among those who believe that a conspiracy existed, as set out in the original dossier, there is a tendency to fall back on vague, dark statements. Several people in Birmingham I spoke to referred to “an ideology, a mindset”, but could not elaborate. “People have hinted darkly to me there were other things going on,” said Felderhof, the educationalist. “That’s interesting isn’t it? My response is always: show me the evidence. I haven’t seen it.”

Pesky thing, evidence.

Jacob_Richter - 01 Sep 2017 18:58:13 (#2 of 127)

Coincidentally, I have just ordered a copy of Gove's 'Celsius 7/7'. I know - who wants to read an entire book by Gove? It's called 'taking one for the team'.

foghorn - 01 Sep 2017 19:00:29 (#3 of 127)

You are a brave man, Jake.

SharkPatoo - 01 Sep 2017 19:03:38 (#4 of 127)

We need to stop brain washing kids with this shit.

invicta - 01 Sep 2017 19:14:08 (#5 of 127)

The story highlighted as much about the failure of the Academy process as it does about conservative Islam. Academy schools are SMEs and are often run by egotists, surrounded by yes men and women, who behave in a manner which would Donald Trump circa The Apprentice would have found unacceptable. It's no surprise that OFSTED found evidence of bullying and exclusion amongst staff in these schools, because it is absolutely rife in most Academies.

Jacob_Richter - 01 Sep 2017 19:53:32 (#6 of 127)

There are lots of issues arising from the case - the role of the DfE, the role of the Sec of State at the time, Academies, the bizarre about-face by Ofsted, the very political neutrality of Ofsted, the obligations of schools to be, in some sense, religious, faith education per se, the transparency of the inquiries and the information received (or not received) by them, the continued hounding of people despite the cases against them collapsing. The biggest issue by far, however, is the institutionalised racism that lies behind the case and, without which, there would never have been a story in the first place.

invicta - 01 Sep 2017 20:06:14 (#7 of 127)

Not really. Islam is a difficult religion to bring into a largely Christian/moderate post-Anglican society which has always had a massive problem with public display of faith since the days of the Restoration.

1OffManMental - 01 Sep 2017 20:23:14 (#8 of 127)

Not really. Islam is a difficult religion to bring into a largely Christian/moderate post-Anglican society which has always had a massive problem with public display of faith since the days of the Restoration.

Doesn't seem to be an issue round here.

invicta - 01 Sep 2017 20:36:49 (#9 of 127)

Yes, but you live in a padded cell on the Isle of Wight, so it's not typical.

Jacob_Richter - 01 Sep 2017 20:44:38 (#10 of 127)

Blaming the victims.

invicta - 01 Sep 2017 20:51:43 (#11 of 127)

Not at all, Jacob. We live in a country with a history of religious conflict and it seems a little odd, naive, even, that people should expect the assimilation of new religions - with their own immense histories - to occur without incident.

barkis - 01 Sep 2017 20:56:28 (#12 of 127)

Schools are legally required to have displays of religious faith.

GreenFuture - 01 Sep 2017 21:09:16 (#13 of 127)

The matter of the thread isn't yet another re-run regarding whether the muslamics fit in properly or not, it's a re-run of islamaphobic lies getting half way round the world before the truth had its shoes on.

1OffManMental - 01 Sep 2017 23:28:57 (#14 of 127)

Yes, but you live in a padded cell on the Isle of Wight, so it's not typical.

I do not. What the hell is wrong with you?

Jacob_Richter - 01 Sep 2017 23:58:17 (#15 of 127)

#13

Quite. This isn't actually about Islam or Muslims or anything they have done or about society accommodating different faiths. It's about a concoction of lies, about a conspiracy that never existed.

As Peter Oborne says:

The 'Trojan Horse' plot? A figment of neo-Conservative imagination

It's time for another 'Trojan Horse' plot investigation - this time into how Islamophobic ideologues dreamed it up and sold it to media henchmen

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/trojan-horse-plot-figment-neo-conservative-imagination-1295765958

Jacob_Richter - 02 Sep 2017 00:05:50 (#16 of 127)

This, from back in 2014:

Giving evidence to a Commons committee on the affair, Lee Donaghy, the assistant principal of one of the schools criticised by Ofsted inspectors, flatly rejected any suggestion there had been Islamic extremism in the school.

He said many of the concerns raised had been because of "plain old Islamophobia" and ignorance of the Muslim way of life which, in his Park View school, with 99% Muslim pupils, showed lack of understanding of the local community.

He also rejected the recent Ofsted report into the school which, he stressed, had a good academic record and, when asked if he believed the inspectors' report had been prejudiced, he replied "yes".

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ofsted-accused-islamophobia-over-birmingham-trojan-horse-schools-report-1453097

gets right to the nub of the issue.

Jacob_Richter - 02 Sep 2017 00:10:35 (#17 of 127)

This report from the time also seems spot on:

Islamophobia and the Readiness to Believe in Mythical Trojan Horses

http://www.equaliteach.co.uk/islamophobia-and-the-readiness-to-believe-in-mythical-trojan-horses/

goldwing3 - 02 Sep 2017 01:23:00 (#18 of 127)

The opposite inciting unjustified alarm is inciting unjustified complacency, the cosmopolitan middle class and immigrants who increasingly dominate the political class, state institutions and media of western society share the same vested interest in doing the latter.

jobi258 - 02 Sep 2017 01:35:47 (#19 of 127)

jacob richter,

Several people in Birmingham I spoke to referred to “an ideology, a mindset”, but could not elaborate.

Oh the ideology exists for sure, but the politically correct thought police prevent it from being named and addressed.

FleurDuMal - 02 Sep 2017 08:11:07 (#20 of 127)

This is an interesting paragraph:

In early 2014, Michael Gove met with Sir Albert Bore, the leader of Birmingham city council, to discuss the letter and allegations from a member of support staff at Park View that the school was practising gender segregation and that non-Muslim staff were being passed over for promotion. According to Jones, Gove said “‘We’ve had these allegations about Park View, what are you going to do?’” Bore responded, “‘No, actually, what are you going to do? The school is an academy. You’re responsible.’” This, Jones said, “didn’t go down remotely well”. (Gove declined to comment for this article.)

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