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Started by TinyMcOtter on 08-Nov-2017 23:53:07
Self-seeking politicians | Has it always been like this?

https://youtu.be/nEZbiCEKdSI?t=35s

Were post-war politicians from the Labour party the only ones (to achieve power), that were genuinely interested in redistributing a slice of the pie to the rest of us? Did it require a post-war generation demanding a slice of that pie from a class that had been happy to sent its citizens off to die, or is there still hope?

The rest of James O'Brien's rant, especially about 'disaster capitalism', also seems to ring true about current events. But will it backfire on our overlords?

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clammy - 10 Nov 2017 08:30:29 (#1 of 156)

It is hard to think of a Tory that went in to politics to make the world a better place.

RosyLovelady - 10 Nov 2017 08:34:32 (#2 of 156)

Oh some have, in so far as that better place is consistent with their personal advancement. They call this having a sense of duty to be of service to the public.

invicta - 10 Nov 2017 08:34:57 (#3 of 156)

Were post-war politicians from the Labour party the only ones (to achieve power), that were genuinely interested in redistributing a slice of the pie to the rest of us?

No. This sort of thing is the problem with online debate. The building of an extreme position based on the idea that political opponents are not only wrong, but also motivated by malice and self-interest.

RosyLovelady - 10 Nov 2017 08:36:36 (#4 of 156)

Now don't be trying to stifle fair comment, please.

Ginmonkey - 10 Nov 2017 08:39:53 (#5 of 156)

The majority of politicians believe they are doing the right thing. Of course what they class as the right thing may vary wildly.

invicta - 10 Nov 2017 08:41:23 (#6 of 156)

I wasn't, but I there is a need to be aware of confirmation bias, even in an obviously rhetorical thread.

RosyLovelady - 10 Nov 2017 08:42:02 (#7 of 156)

Yes, miss.

clammy - 10 Nov 2017 08:44:26 (#8 of 156)

Invicta is so fair minded and unbiased.

RosyLovelady - 10 Nov 2017 08:45:52 (#9 of 156)

And our self-anointed superior, don't forget.

Gotout - 10 Nov 2017 08:47:26 (#10 of 156)

The majority of politicians believe they are doing the right thing.

Some of them have a very narrow viewpoint though and see 'the right thing' as being something which will benefit themselves and their cronies. Of course there's always the 'trickle down' farce if they want to pretend it will help the proles.

RosyLovelady - 10 Nov 2017 08:49:18 (#11 of 156)

A real toff has traditionally been defined as someone who behaves considerately towards the servants.

Gotout - 10 Nov 2017 08:50:49 (#12 of 156)

Like not beating them or having sex with the youngest maids?

SunkenTreasures - 10 Nov 2017 08:51:22 (#13 of 156)

That was all fine in the past. Different times.

Moschops - 10 Nov 2017 08:53:41 (#14 of 156)

Invicta is so fair minded and unbiased.

It's stuff like this that makes UK News so shit. There is nothing wrong with what Invicta said, you just don't like him because he has a different worldview. So stop being a cunt and play the post not the poster. Or would you rather the whole dull tax dodging schtick was raised again?

Ginmonkey - 10 Nov 2017 08:53:58 (#15 of 156)

I think most of us tend to do things out of enlightened self interest, politicians are no different.

RosyLovelady - 10 Nov 2017 08:54:26 (#16 of 156)

Enter Moschops, stirring vigorously.

WillodeanKnuth - 10 Nov 2017 08:55:22 (#17 of 156)

The building of an extreme position based on the idea that political opponents are not only wrong, but also motivated by malice and self-interest

I think you can make a solid case that Conservatism is built, consciously or unconsciously, on the idea that current class economic structures are a fine thing and should be maintained. Not exactly self interest, but interest in 'people like us' over 'people like them'

Gotout - 10 Nov 2017 08:56:01 (#18 of 156)

Don't rock the boat.

Moschops - 10 Nov 2017 08:56:43 (#19 of 156)

Enter Moschops, stirring vigorously.

Aww, and you couldn't resist the little dig too. Bless.

Ginmonkey - 10 Nov 2017 08:56:56 (#20 of 156)

Indeed. There are also conservatives who genuinely believe that maintaining the status quo is best for all. They are often the winners in the status quo of course.

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