No smilies, no avatars, no flashing gifs. Just discuss the issues of the day, from last night's telly via football to science or philosophy.
Started by mikeshadow on Apr 17, 2018 3:35:25 PM
The Labour Party - for working people again

With left of centre policies and funded by Trade Unions and the Cooperative movement as well as ordinary members, the Labour Party is now the party of working people again, albeit not just the traditional working class of years gone by.

mikeshadow - 17 Apr 2018 16:44:45 (#1 of 468)

The New Labour Project and its ‘Third Way’ economic philosophy have now been completely abandoned by the party.

Ed Miliband as leader gradually started the move away from New Labour policies and now Jeremy Corbyn has completed the process.

Some observers believe that a Labour government now would lead to the industrial strife and inefficient nationalised industries seen in times gone by.

SheikYerbouti - 17 Apr 2018 16:47:05 (#2 of 468)

Some observers in the Real Journalism community.

AshburtonAbove - 17 Apr 2018 16:47:14 (#3 of 468)

I think 'some' are dogmatic believers in 19th century style liberalism,

emorobot - 17 Apr 2018 16:58:32 (#4 of 468)

Some observers believe that a Labour government now would lead to the industrial strife and inefficient nationalised industries seen in times gone by.

It won't, because there isn't going to be one. But if there was one, they'd need a majority of at least 70 to govern effectively as the so-called alleged centrists would rebel at every opportunity.

But they won't, because their poll lead is so weak that an October Surprise will bury them at election time.

Best spend your time working out how you're going to survive yet another 5 years of the Tories than moaning about something that's a political impossibility.

Brunothecat - 17 Apr 2018 17:02:19 (#5 of 468)

Yeah yeah yeah, you've said it a million times already.

So apart from endless moaning at anyone who tries to do something about it, have you got any actual ideas?

Sunfish - 17 Apr 2018 17:04:27 (#6 of 468)

Poor old dopey Ed.

SheikYerbouti - 17 Apr 2018 17:04:47 (#7 of 468)


emorobot - 17 Apr 2018 17:05:16 (#8 of 468)

I'm not moaning, actually I'm very pleased that people are trying to do something - just calling 'em like I sees 'em.

What's going to happen is that the Tories are going to be in until at least 2024. By that time labour will have un-fucked themselves, but sadly gerrymandering will probably keep them out that time.

Political opposition will go extra-parliamentary in the '20s, we'll see a lot more direct action, and about time too IMHO.

Shadrack22 - 17 Apr 2018 17:07:04 (#9 of 468)


TinyMcOtter - 17 Apr 2018 17:21:31 (#10 of 468)

The Labour Party will only win my support if they become more right wing than the Tories. They need to show the country that they are tough on crime, strong on defence and hard on single parents and the disabled.

Corbyn should strangle a kitten live on national TV and demand that we nuke North Korea immediately. That way Labour can pull the rug from under the Toriy's agenda and seize power for a better and more patriotic Britain.

Sensible policies for sensible anti-immigration mugs.

emorobot - 17 Apr 2018 17:39:31 (#11 of 468)

Unfortunately, most people are mugs. What you gonna do when people demand stupid and destructive policies? I have no idea, me, which is why I've recused myself from actively playing a part in politics.

TigerPaws - 17 Apr 2018 17:56:32 (#12 of 468)

Some people need to get out more.

Starzatnite - 17 Apr 2018 18:07:33 (#13 of 468)

I think Labour will win hands down at the next election. They are perceived, rightly or wrongly, to be the party of health and education, which matter to an awful lot of people. I live in a rural Tory heartland and yet there is huge support for Labour atm due to those two issues alone. I think they would have won last time if it weren’t for their opposition to Brexit. Once that’s out the way, social issues will come to the fore. The Tories have squeezed budgets locally (police numbers cut, schools in need of repair, free prescriptions cut) and maybe they’ve had to but those policies have not been popular. But then there seems to be a massive divide between the views of those in the main cities and especially London (which are often reflected on these boards) and the views of those out in the sticks or in small provincial towns. I think that’s why opinion polls are so often wrong - the media don’t realise there’s a world that exists outside of the M25.

rearranged - 17 Apr 2018 18:49:40 (#14 of 468)

Some sensible policies there, some which are not, and some I doubt anyone will be able to explain/implement.

ChankNolen - 17 Apr 2018 19:03:27 (#15 of 468)

The interesting question is what policies Corbyn's Labour would put in place after they triggered their first run on the Pound.

Would they have the ability, as Hollande's socialists did in France, to change direction? Or would they double down, perhaps try and prevent capital flight by introducing currency controls etc?

It would probably be worth someone re-reading Benn's diary to remind us what the Messiah thought Harold should have done.

invicta - 17 Apr 2018 19:06:41 (#16 of 468)

It would probably be worth someone re-reading Benn's diary to remind us what the Messiah thought Harold should have done.

Ridiculous things. Benn was never allowed to play with anything important during the 1970s for a very good reason: even his colleagues thought him deluded, but they figured it safer to keep him inside the tent, as it were.

SharkPatoo - 17 Apr 2018 19:08:31 (#17 of 468)

But who wants John McCommunist running the economy?

Brunothecat - 17 Apr 2018 19:11:05 (#18 of 468)

Gosh. Is it 1979 again? Another crusade on the virtues of deregulation, pay "flexibility" and privatisation, to be repeated endlessly until morale picks up.

Sunfish - 17 Apr 2018 19:11:55 (#19 of 468)

John McCommunist


ChankNolen - 17 Apr 2018 19:14:20 (#20 of 468)

'Gosh. Is it 1979 again?'

It's your hero who is stuck in the 70s, Broonsy.

Check Subscriptions
Home » UK News