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Started by HerrWalrus on Jun 3, 2018 10:27:14 AM
The "Elgin" marbles.

Is it time to return the Phidias sculptures to Greece? Jeremy thinks so.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles

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Hilary - 03 Jun 2018 10:43:24 (#1 of 111)

No, but the Benin bronzes are another matter. They really were stolen, rather than acquired legally from their owners at the time, as the marbles were.

browserbutton - 03 Jun 2018 10:43:43 (#2 of 111)

I thought Mrs Clooney was on the case.

rgtstoppedcounting - 03 Jun 2018 10:49:47 (#3 of 111)

As a precedent, it would mean emptying much of the British Museum and its peer institutions worldwide.

Brunothecat - 03 Jun 2018 10:55:15 (#4 of 111)

Jeremy thinks so.

Any links to this?

Electro2 - 03 Jun 2018 10:58:05 (#5 of 111)

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-would-give-british-museums-elgin-marbles-back-to-greece-11393330

SatelliteOne - 03 Jun 2018 11:02:35 (#6 of 111)

Why would we give the Elgin Marbles back to the Greeks? It was the Turks who owned them at the time.

MsCharDonnay - 03 Jun 2018 11:07:01 (#7 of 111)

Because the Greeks have suffered under the evil EU?

Gotout - 03 Jun 2018 11:12:59 (#8 of 111)

If we gave them back would they be put back in their original location, to be subject to pollution and erosion? Or would they be sold off to the highest bidder?

Arjuna - 03 Jun 2018 11:28:04 (#9 of 111)

"This legislation prohibits the trustees from permanently disposing of objects unless they are duplicates of others already in the collection or are 'unfit to be retained'"

So we can send back any spares plus the crap ones?

RosyLovelady - 03 Jun 2018 11:34:05 (#10 of 111)

#6

Do the Turks want them?

HerrWalrus - 03 Jun 2018 11:53:05 (#11 of 111)

Because the Greeks have suffered under the evil EU?

Yes, this. You'd have thought the posters who've been so sympathetic to the suffering Greeks elsewhere on this board, would be positive about a nice gesture like this. But no. There is no alternative apparently to keeping the marbles, or denuding every single museum worldwide.

Shadrack22 - 03 Jun 2018 12:03:08 (#12 of 111)

If we gave them back would they be put back in their original location, to be subject to pollution and erosion? Or would they be sold off to the highest bidder?

No to both. They would join the rest of the freize in the Acropolis Museum in Athens. It opened in 2009. More here:

http://www.theacropolismuseum.gr/en

mememe - 03 Jun 2018 12:03:20 (#13 of 111)

It's quite hard to give a fuck about the Elgin bloody marbles, to be honest. They're like the Falklands to Argentina - a little sabre they can rattle to gee up a bit of domestic support. They're just rocks: they don't really matter.

Jacob_Richter - 03 Jun 2018 12:04:49 (#14 of 111)

Greece wants them back, Greece should have them back. Greece is a friend and ally of the UK.

acquired legally from their owners at the time

Let's abide by all Ottoman firmans from 1801. In fact, why stop at 1801?

mememe - 03 Jun 2018 12:07:34 (#15 of 111)

Greece wants them back, Greece should have them back.

They're not getting them back. Who cares?

Ginmonkey - 03 Jun 2018 12:10:28 (#16 of 111)

A good number of people care. They are very fine art.

I would like to see them back in situ but there would have to be a deal to make sure the greeks could afford to keep them.

AlanII - 03 Jun 2018 12:11:57 (#17 of 111)

I would like to see them back in situ…

I would too but, they never will be. It's a problem alright.

mememe - 03 Jun 2018 12:51:32 (#18 of 111)

Only if you let it be. There's a lot of manufactured outrage. If you think this is the principle concern of the Greek man or woman in the street, I suggest you've not been following things very closely.

rgtstoppedcounting - 03 Jun 2018 12:55:34 (#19 of 111)

Principal.

mememe - 03 Jun 2018 12:57:03 (#20 of 111)

You're quite right.

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