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Started by emorobot on Jun 10, 2018 8:07:20 PM
This is what treason looks like - Aaron Banks to be investigated for Russia / Brexit links*

*maybe

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/10/a
rron-banks-mps-call-for-police-investigate-russia-links


Seriously, can you see why I'm so down on Russia Today?

They used to hang people for that shit, and this is why: A rich man may have acted on orders from a foreign power to fuck up our relationship with our neighbours, screw our economy and sow division among ourselves - the very same hostile foreign power that has no problem murdering people to death on our streets.

It's time people woke the fuck up - Putin's Russia are the enemy, and the Right are a fifth column in this country.

Like in the 1930s.

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browserbutton - 10 Jun 2018 20:17:30 (#1 of 236)

Aaron Banks to be investigated

No, Arron Banks. Different bloke.

HerrWalrus - 10 Jun 2018 20:18:49 (#2 of 236)

There's two of them!!!

RosyLovelady - 10 Jun 2018 20:19:12 (#3 of 236)

Is this as bad as what Corbyn did when he spied for Czechs in the 1980s?

emorobot - 10 Jun 2018 20:19:34 (#4 of 236)

God Damn it. :-D

emorobot - 10 Jun 2018 20:19:49 (#5 of 236)

#3 that& #39;s a joke, right? You do know that was debunked, yeah?

Brunothecat - 10 Jun 2018 20:24:16 (#6 of 236)

But the Leader Of The Free World wants Russia in the G7. They must be good guys, right? Britains "special" friend says so.

RosyLovelady - 10 Jun 2018 20:36:54 (#7 of 236)

It must be a disaster for Corbyn anyway.

YorenInTheNorth - 10 Jun 2018 20:43:36 (#8 of 236)

It's going to a long hot summer.

If he did co-ordinate with Russian state actors then he is a traitor and must face consequences but we should not accuse those who share his political outlook as also being traitors.

We all hold views that at one point or another would have been considered treason to the powers that be.

Also there is a clear difference between pursuing a policy you believe in and doing so at the behest of a foreign power.

Jacob_Richter - 10 Jun 2018 20:43:46 (#9 of 236)

I'm so down on Russia Today?

Emo is giving Russia Today a blow-job.

lapsedcat - 10 Jun 2018 20:44:00 (#10 of 236)

The 'It's a Disaster for Corbyn' dancers have got the night off. Can we substitute the 'David Miliband Doesn't Know How to Operate a Banana' mime artistes instead?

Brunothecat - 10 Jun 2018 20:50:04 (#11 of 236)

And the Neil and Glenys beach ballet, that made a splash at the time.

YorenInTheNorth - 10 Jun 2018 21:04:31 (#12 of 236)

#10

Is that the one made up of the "Can Eat a Bacon Sandwhich" dancing troupe rejected by his brother?

Their current act is to dance around a stone making idle but binding promises while chanting "David would have won".

It's rather profound.

machiavelli - 10 Jun 2018 21:07:25 (#13 of 236)

This "treason" stuff is nonsense. If Banks had been feeding secrets about Faslane (they've probably already got a man in there, fear fans) then yes - treason.

But nudging an outcome on which opinion is divided on whether it's a good or a bad thing to Britain? Naughty, but not treason. In the unlikely event that Brexit turns us into a land of milk and honey, Banks tovarich will be hailed as a liberating hero.

However, if he was getting help from our caviar-scoffing chums across the steppe, it certainly should be public knowledge so that said public can draw its own conclusions on why Vlad the Omnipresent thinks Brexit is grate, and whether, in the light of such information, it is such a grate thing for us.

Brunothecat - 10 Jun 2018 21:10:04 (#14 of 236)

Naughty, but not treason.

Colluding with a hostile foreign power to corrupt a British election with illegal money and support. He is acting as an agent of a foreign power quite deliberately.

AlanII - 10 Jun 2018 21:15:47 (#15 of 236)

It doesn't matter, Bruno. They don't care.

machiavelli - 10 Jun 2018 21:19:00 (#16 of 236)

illegal money and support

Well, that is a collar-feeling matter whatever it's called.

Delighted_User - 10 Jun 2018 21:23:15 (#17 of 236)

Nobody's claimed the points?

YorenInTheNorth - 10 Jun 2018 21:23:23 (#18 of 236)

#13

I appreciate you are libertarian as I understand it but allowing foreign powers to directly interfere/subvert our democracy as long as the public knows at some point and can vote accordingly is not viable.

In this example, assuming the worst, the public was not aware of this foreign influence and thus could not make an informed decision.

Even if it comes out now the entire debate/process has proceeded without anyone knowing for sure.

Besides the Russian's clearly did not want anyone knowing what they were up to because they rightly guessed it would go down very badly.

I have no hesitation using the term traitor if someone has conspired with an enemy state to pursue that states policy objectives.

machiavelli - 10 Jun 2018 21:34:48 (#19 of 236)

I appreciate you are libertarian as I understand it but allowing foreign powers to directly interfere/subvert our democracy as long as the public knows at some point and can vote accordingly is not viable.

I'm not that libertarian. If a foreign power has illegally intervened in a national vote, then the culprits to hand must be arrested.

machiavelli - 10 Jun 2018 21:40:06 (#20 of 236)

Just had a quick read - looks like Banks has questions to answer.

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