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Started by KanKhaderKhanKan on Jun 13, 2018 12:33:59 PM
The Spectator Magazine: Not just a rag written & read by a*seholes but an up-market version of Breitbart too?

Don't get me wrong, I know that when the Spectator begin in the 18th century it had giants like Samuel Johnson & Addison writing for it. Today, especially under the editorial direction of Fraser Nelson, however the Spectator is now a rather nasty rag that isn't above peddling bigoted bile.

I'm making an overblown claim you say? Forget the toxic 'ethn-nats' bigotry that you BTL on every online Spectator article just look at the recent history of Spectator contributors. Boris, during his time at the Spectator, frequently used racial perjoratives to describe black kids. Rod Liddle has a type of contempt for black males that skirts very close to bigotry. Ditto for Douglas Murray's regular axe-grinding against the muslim community of Britain. James Dellingpole - no comment. Toby Young - eugenicist.

Dayraven - 13 Jun 2018 12:39:45 (#1 of 73)

I know that when the Spectator begin in the 18th century it had giants like Samuel Johnson & Addison writing for it.

Addison's Spectator isn't connected to the current one -- there's a more than hundred year gap between the two.

(Also, Johnson didn't write for it, owing to their prejudice against publishing articles by five-year-olds.)

TRaney - 13 Jun 2018 12:42:25 (#2 of 73)

Ok, but apart from that...

KanKhaderKhanKan - 13 Jun 2018 12:43:34 (#3 of 73)

The bigotry (e.g. racialism, eugenics etc) the Spectator likes to publish is considered by them 'brave journalism' by the Spectator. Hence it is not particularly surprising that it's now public knowledge that Jack Renshaw (a member of the UK far-right terrorist group National Action), the would-be assassin of the Labour MP Rosie Cooper, was a friend of the current Spectator contributor Jack Buckby.

Jack Buckby himself is not only ex-member of the BNP but also personal friends of Yaxley-Lennon.

This is also part of a spectrum, from Toby Young's penchant for eugenics to Jack Buckby's crypto-racialism the Spectator magazine seems to have quiet a soft spot for far-right rhetoric & what's more, judging by the posters who regularly frequent it's online articles, it's writers (e.g. Liddle & formerly Boris Johnson) know exactly what their punters want when they dog-whistle certain themes in their articles. Problem is that the Spectator still pretends to be respectable when it's as in the gutter as Breitbart is & in fact if you read the Spectator's sister magazine in the US it's barely indistinguishable from Breitbart.

Furthermore where it gets interesting is the relationship the Spectator has with certain BBC figures (e.g Andrew Niall, Isabelle Hardmen) which in turns makes you wonder whether the BBC is unintentionally both amplifying & normalising far-right rhetoric (albeit told in a posh or scottish post accent) in this country by giving figures like Andrew Niall, Isabelle Hardmen (sp?) & Fraser Nelson a platform (e.g. Week in politics, Question Time, 'Week in Westminister' for Radio4) on the BBC.

SaffronSunrise - 13 Jun 2018 12:43:44 (#4 of 73)

Isabel Hardman writes some decent articles for them.

KanKhaderKhanKan - 13 Jun 2018 12:45:00 (#5 of 73)

Johnson didn't write for it

I'm pretty sure the 'essays of Samuel Johnson' were written during his time at the Spectator? Could be wrong.

KanKhaderKhanKan - 13 Jun 2018 12:51:53 (#6 of 73)

Also I think there's a member of the Spectator staff that goes by the name 'Taki' who, according to Professor Portes' claim, is a supporter of the Greek neo-Nazi party 'Golden Dawn'.

All this makes me wonder whether one of the reasons why Fraser Nelson opposed Levinson was because of the potential it could bring legislation that would limit (i.e. make legally liable) the ability of the Spectator from publishing articles that spew such bigoted bile & thereby lose it's attraction to it's racialist-leaning punters.

Dayraven - 13 Jun 2018 12:53:04 (#7 of 73)

I'm pretty sure the 'essays of Samuel Johnson' were written during his time at the Spectator?

He was on the similarly-titled The Idler and The Rambler.

Delighted_User - 13 Jun 2018 12:53:23 (#8 of 73)

I can understand how someone can get something wrong, even when sitting in front of the greatest fact-checker in the history of the world. But I'm puzzled as to why, when alerted to the fact that they may have been talking out of their nether regions, they usually regard their arsedribble fondly instead of going off to check.

SheikYerbouti - 13 Jun 2018 12:54:49 (#9 of 73)

Because in this brave new world of the internets, objective reality doesn't exist and facts are a matter of opinion.

xDiggy - 13 Jun 2018 12:55:23 (#10 of 73)

There's some rubbish in the Speccie but some decent journalism too. It's important not to fall into the trap of thinking everything written from a perspective you disagree with is fake news.

Yammoto - 13 Jun 2018 12:55:30 (#11 of 73)

Liddle is an excellent and enjoyable read. Balanced somewhat by that ridiculous tool Matthew Parris.

browserbutton - 13 Jun 2018 12:55:36 (#12 of 73)


Doesn't Julie Burchill write for the New Musical Spectator these days?

xDiggy - 13 Jun 2018 12:55:56 (#13 of 73)

Obviously fair comment about tools like Liddle and Young though.

Yammoto - 13 Jun 2018 12:57:00 (#14 of 73)

Young can't possibly be a eugenicist, he's not a socialist.

is he???

mingmong - 13 Jun 2018 12:57:01 (#15 of 73)

Its the facade of neutrality that irritates me. They sometimes get some lunatic tankie to write a piece, just to make the point that they are "not afraid of ideas beyond the liberal consensus!" But in reality its the usual soggy centre-right dogma, dressed up as common sense.

The quality of the writing is often quite high, which makes it all the more dangerous. No-one could accuse the altogether more pedestrian New Statesman of turning any heads

Delighted_User - 13 Jun 2018 12:58:14 (#16 of 73)

There used to be some decent stuff in the magazine, and if Parris is still writing for it, there probably still is. But it does seem to have tilted in favour of the nutnuts in recent years.

mingmong - 13 Jun 2018 12:58:39 (#17 of 73)

It's important not to fall into the trap of thinking everything written from a perspective you disagree with is fake news.

I agree with that, but I'd rather get my RW bromides from the (marginally) less self-satisified Economist

TRaney - 13 Jun 2018 12:58:51 (#18 of 73)

They sometimes get some lunatic tankie to write a piece

Brendan O’Neill?

mingmong - 13 Jun 2018 13:00:47 (#19 of 73)

I was thinking of the likes Hitchens, C. Though the latter could hardly keep his true neo-con stripes hidden in his latter years.

SinnerBoy - 13 Jun 2018 13:02:29 (#20 of 73)

I only ever read The Spectator when it was given out free, on planes. I stopped several years ago, when I realised that the headrest in front was more interesting.

On another note, I wonder if I'm being stalked in real life... A new poster has my dog's pedigree name.

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