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Started by WibbleAgain on Jul 5, 2018 1:38:30 PM
Tory government about to collapse?

The May government has muddled on for as long as possible, and by the end of the week it's quite possibly The End. The toxic Tory Brexiteers aren't going away without actually killing their party.

If the hopeless Tory Remainers fail on Friday to agree to a hard Brexit, what's going to happen?

And what if a hard Brexit is agreed at Chequers on Friday? How long can a Hard Brexit Tory government last?

Speculate here. Show your workings.

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widenation - 05 Jul 2018 13:41:38 (#1 of 1119)

We should descend on Chequers, like back in the mid 90s. You'd probably be gassed and tasered nowadays however.

WibbleAgain - 05 Jul 2018 13:42:34 (#2 of 1119)

What good would that do?

If it's any good, I'll happily go to make up the numbers.

widenation - 05 Jul 2018 13:43:42 (#3 of 1119)

What good would that do?

Demand a 2nd Ref.

WibbleAgain - 05 Jul 2018 13:45:13 (#4 of 1119)

Are you going then?

widenation - 05 Jul 2018 13:45:53 (#5 of 1119)

Might do.

emorobot - 05 Jul 2018 13:45:56 (#6 of 1119)

I've a feeling they'll muddle through, perhaps with a change at the top. Nobody in the Establishment wants Corbyn to get in, so the Remainers will fall in line.

Labour themselves are too divided to put up a fight and definitely can't win an election (#godihopeimwrong), so the most likely turn of events are (a) Continued John Major Tribute Act compromise misery till all this blows over, or (b) hard brexit nutters take over, call an election promising the hardest of hard brexits, and get elected in a landslide for lunacy - especially if we do well in the World Cup.

Whatever happens though, we're definitely fucked.

machiavelli - 05 Jul 2018 13:46:25 (#7 of 1119)

We should descend on Chequers

Been there - it's a long way from anywhere and there's fuzz with guns.

phantlers - 05 Jul 2018 13:46:30 (#8 of 1119)

The attention on the football will allow her to get away with just about anything until England's team is either out or the winners.

Her (and our) entire political future decided by a football match, which is just about exactly the way things should be.

emorobot - 05 Jul 2018 13:48:18 (#9 of 1119)

The thing is, the Tories are less divided than the opposition, so they're bound to stay in power whatever happens. I wouldn't think about it - just enjoy the sun and hope you get to have some fun before the shit comes down.

phantlers - 05 Jul 2018 13:48:33 (#10 of 1119)

Demand a 2nd Ref.

We've had VAR for years in the form of rolling news channels and Newsnight.

Gotout - 05 Jul 2018 13:51:06 (#11 of 1119)

Just suppose there was a 2nd referendum and it was in favour of staying in. Do you suppose that Juncker and co would be prepared to kiss and make up?

I think they'd demand that we pay all the costs of the bid and also be forced to join the Euro as punishment.

invicta - 05 Jul 2018 13:54:38 (#12 of 1119)

They can't do any of that.

Gotout - 05 Jul 2018 13:55:29 (#13 of 1119)

Are you sure? What's to stop them demanding it?

foghorn - 05 Jul 2018 13:57:23 (#14 of 1119)

The world cup has always looked a bit politically rigged to me. Just enough so that you can be called a loon for suggesting it. When something like this can have such obvious effects, I don't see how politics can't be involved, or involves so much money, can't be corrupt.

I reckon England are in with a shout.

returnofthepowermonkey - 05 Jul 2018 13:59:43 (#15 of 1119)

Why would they want to do aything that could reinvigorate Brexit at the point of its defeat. And the Euro is doomed anyway, forcing the UK economy into it would only hasten the collapse.

Yammoto - 05 Jul 2018 14:00:10 (#16 of 1119)

You'd loose a second ref by an even bigger majority.

foghorn - 05 Jul 2018 14:07:03 (#17 of 1119)

The possiblity obviously makes you nervous, Yam. If a bigger majority for leave was such a foregone conclusion I would have thought with your views you would be cheering it on.

WibbleAgain - 05 Jul 2018 14:07:17 (#18 of 1119)

They (Junker and Barnier) have said we just have to retract the A50 notice and we can stay in.

It would take great big phenomenal happenings in the UK for that to take place though. Judging by Google News headlines, the tabloids are pushing harder and harder for a hard Brexit, and brand anyone who hesitates as traitors.

Gotout - 05 Jul 2018 14:08:35 (#19 of 1119)

And the Euro is doomed anyway,

But the Eurocrats won't accept that because it would mean admitting they were wrong. They will happily let the whole thing collapse before they will accept the fact that it will fain at sometime in the future.

machiavelli - 05 Jul 2018 14:09:00 (#20 of 1119)

I think paying some costs of the process is fair but if told we must join the Euro, I'd vote out second time around.

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