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Started by WibbleAgain on Aug 2, 2018 3:49:35 PM
Dig for Brexit!!!

No one is going to blink, and everyone is digging their heels in. Embrace Brixit and get through the tough years.

We shall overcome...

What doesn't kill us will make us stronger...


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WibbleAgain - 02 Aug 2018 15:52:48 (#1 of 11147)

EU poncy elite and foreign muck are leaving our shores:

ZimAgain - 02 Aug 2018 16:10:01 (#2 of 11147)

It is not easy to stay calm and rational when faced with the visceral, self-aggrandising, jingoistic drivel that flows endlessly from some in the leave camp.

Does he post here?

WibbleAgain - 02 Aug 2018 16:14:15 (#3 of 11147)

widenation - 02 Aug 2018 16:15:52 (#4 of 11147)

Is this a JCB reference?

WibbleAgain - 02 Aug 2018 16:17:35 (#5 of 11147)

Bribaba - 02 Aug 2018 16:18:29 (#6 of 11147)


WibbleAgain - 02 Aug 2018 16:21:18 (#7 of 11147)

WibbleAgain - 02 Aug 2018 16:29:52 (#8 of 11147)

This is supposed to be an exclusive on a Home Office leak. But it's as clear as mud what the government proposes to actually do with border checks on Brexit. So now the Home Office is saying let's keep the status quo because it's one thing we can actually call the shots. I quite like this approach: we are calling the shots and we're doing exactly as we like. We are letting the status quo remain!!!

Immigration is one major area where the UK could maintain the status quo in order to minimise chaos under a no-deal Brexit, according to Joe Owen, a researcher at the Institute for Government.

"There are some things where no-deal means an unavoidable change, whatever happens [such as tariffs]," he told Business Insider.

"There are some things where the UK can unilaterally decide that nothing changes and carries on before — immigration is one of those, however politically uncomfortable it may be."

"If you have gridlock for lorries at Dover or Calais in the event of no-deal, it makes sense to try and avoid that being the case at Heathrow, Gatwick, Luton or Manchester."

col2001 - 02 Aug 2018 16:40:25 (#9 of 11147)

As I understand it, carriers have responsibility for ensuring passengers have travel documents in order before arriving.

Is this true?

If so, that is going to be interesting.

bossab2 - 02 Aug 2018 16:58:34 (#10 of 11147)

I thought this was going to be a turnip growing thread...

machiavelli - 02 Aug 2018 17:09:46 (#11 of 11147)

I wonder when May and Co will get the fucking point that the 27 cannot weaken single market rules because it is an existential matter.

xbod72 - 02 Aug 2018 17:17:51 (#12 of 11147)


As councils reveal David Cameron’s 2010 ‘Big Society’ policy has failed, many suspect it’s due to his 2016 policy of splitting the UK into two separate ones.

wickeltisch - 02 Aug 2018 17:19:19 (#13 of 11147)

I like how Herr Menden in the first link complains about the permanent moaning he associates with Germany and then goes on moaning non-stop very German style in his article.

WibbleAgain - 02 Aug 2018 17:26:53 (#14 of 11147)

WibbleAgain - 02 Aug 2018 17:35:19 (#15 of 11147)

But of course that's the whole point of Brexit, from the source of Brexitremism, i.e. Putin.

Whatever happens to the UK, hard or soft Brexit, it's going to compromise the EU as we know it. It is going to affect all the UK trading partners, not the least our suppliers of a myriad of food stuff.

I have been against Brexit, against Cakeism, against unicorn, against self-harm and suicide, but it does seem what I and all the Remainers think is irrelevant. In fact, what most of the Leave voters think is irrelevant too. Brexit has never been deliverable, and whatever happens it's going to be a massive fudge.

Atm it boils down to brinksmanship between the UK and Barnier, whose sacred duty is to keep saying they can't be expected to compromise the integrity of the EU. The stalemate has gone on so long that the pressure is now on on both sides.

So much so that some of our EU trading partners such as France and Germany are finally talking to to us directly rather than wait for Barnier and his colleagues to fix everything - which is in fact against EU rules - because it's getting to the fire fighting stage. The fire hasn't quite started yet, but so far not much in the way of fire prevention has been put in place, and that's what our EU trading partners are getting urgent on.

All of that is already compromising the EU as a sovereign whole. Putin 1: EU 0, so far.

Interesting times.

foghorn - 02 Aug 2018 17:47:49 (#16 of 11147)

I don´t hear much about Russian think tanks, or feel that Russian owned media is all over us like a rash. Why are you convinced this is all about Putin?

It mostly seems to be emanating from the West.

col2001 - 02 Aug 2018 17:53:35 (#17 of 11147)

There's both Russian money and looney Ayn Randian money pushing in the same direction.

foghorn - 02 Aug 2018 18:00:10 (#18 of 11147)

We have to consider what is pushing us around. For me it looks like it is application of US style lobbying and election strategies, the American extreme right, US billionaires, the Western media barons, neoliberal and corporate sociopathy and so on. How much influence Putin is having on that I don´t know, but I think we should identify the things we could actually criticise, push back against, slap or resist.

foghorn - 02 Aug 2018 18:12:53 (#19 of 11147)

I don´t like Putin a whole lot, but I think somehow he is set up as an Emmanuel Goldstein. I don´t understand why he would want to destabilise a cash cow, stable, unthreatening guaranteed sales neighbour like a peaceable Europe. Its the US that appears more bothered and agitated than anyone else about it.

I think we know where we stand with Putin and Russia. In my experience areas of friction are most dramatic when the parties have, or think they have a lot in common.

helbel - 02 Aug 2018 18:22:22 (#20 of 11147)

Because if he can destabilise Europe and have America neutralised by having an idiot in charge he can do what he likes and keep himself in power back home by bigging up Russia as a world power.

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