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Started by Agaliarept on Dec 4, 2018 9:39:05 AM
David McGreavy: Triple child killer cleared for release

A babysitter who killed three children and impaled their bodies on garden railings has been cleared for release.

David McGreavy was sentenced to life in 1973 for killing Paul Ralph, four, and his sisters Dawn, two, and nine-month-old Samantha in their Worcester home.

Their mother Elsie Urry told the Sun she had "begged" authorities that he stay locked up.

But a Parole Board document said over 45 years in custody he had "changed considerably".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-46437471

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Agaliarept - 04 Dec 2018 09:39:49 (#1 of 85)

Well he's no longer a danger which is great but why on earth should he taste freedom again at all after what he did?

Not saying he should've been executed* but what's wrong with letting him see out his days behind bars for murdering and mutilating three children?

*I mean, I'd happily have that conversation but we all know most people's position on the DP here.

thisonehasalittlehat - 04 Dec 2018 09:43:00 (#2 of 85)

The question is what is served by keeping him in prison. But I was diverted by this part of that report:

"The psychologist identified a number of factors which make it less likely that Mr McGreavy will reoffend in future," it said.

"These included his improved self-control and the fact that Mr McGreavy has learnt to remain calm in stressful situations."

Implies he just lost his temper with the children.

Agaliarept - 04 Dec 2018 09:44:06 (#3 of 85)

The question is what is served by keeping him in prison.

A sense of justice for the victims and their families.

Implies he just lost his temper with the children.

That was his defence wasn't it? That the baby wouldn't stop crying and he went from there.

thisonehasalittlehat - 04 Dec 2018 09:45:25 (#4 of 85)

I don't know I've not heard of the case before.

A sense of justice for the victims and their families.

yes, I'd imagine that was a part of the deliberations of the parole board; not being a part of those deliberations it is difficult for me to speculate how the competing interests played out. I do however generally think that people who do these jobs endeavour to make sure they do them properly.

TrouserFreak - 04 Dec 2018 09:46:39 (#5 of 85)

Just as well that since he's been in prison, all sources of stress in the outside world have been removed. He'll be fine.

Agaliarept - 04 Dec 2018 09:47:31 (#6 of 85)

it is difficult for me to speculate how the competing interests played out.

To clarify, I'm not questioning the parole board's decision. I'm sure they're working to their guidelines.

My question is why he should ever have been eligible for parole. Isn't the crime bad enough that he should give up his freedom entirely?

I don't know I've not heard of the case before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_McGreavy#Murde
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SheikYerbouti - 04 Dec 2018 09:48:39 (#7 of 85)

You only started this thread to give dotters something else to focus on, didn't you.

Agaliarept - 04 Dec 2018 09:49:32 (#8 of 85)

You only started this thread to give dotters something else to focus on, didn't you.

I'm not expecting a lot of support from our dottie. But yes, this does seem to be right along her street.

TommyDCMBR8 - 04 Dec 2018 09:54:44 (#9 of 85)

Release - kills again - mass demands for return of death penalty to prove that we've "taken back control".

Script writes itself.

freddy - 04 Dec 2018 10:05:44 (#10 of 85)

He hung them on railings. We don’t have the death penelty which is good but he should die in prison.

SheikYerbouti - 04 Dec 2018 10:06:55 (#11 of 85)

YOU should be hung on railings.

freddy - 04 Dec 2018 10:07:35 (#12 of 85)

You should fuck off

SheikYerbouti - 04 Dec 2018 10:20:42 (#13 of 85)

That's the spirit.

cozzer - 04 Dec 2018 10:48:45 (#14 of 85)

Isn't the crime bad enough that he should give up his freedom entirely?

I don't know, is it? how do you judge crimes like that?

Agaliarept - 04 Dec 2018 10:51:42 (#15 of 85)

I don't know, is it? how do you judge crimes like that?

I understand the point you're making but killing three children, mutilating their bodies then impaling them on a neighbours fence is quite easily one of the worst crimes imaginable.

Even if you aren't sure where to plot it on a graph.

HorstVogel - 04 Dec 2018 11:01:28 (#16 of 85)

off the usual graph really

Agaliarept - 04 Dec 2018 11:01:44 (#17 of 85)

Quite.

scottscott - 04 Dec 2018 11:07:43 (#18 of 85)

He was an ...habitual drinker with a violent temper when inebriated.

Great. We'll be fine for as long as he doesn't have a drink. And I'm certain the prison authorities MUST have given him a few skinfulls before considering release. Just to check he didn't get too killy, you know.

Tenesmus - 04 Dec 2018 11:09:34 (#19 of 85)

Perhaps they borrowed some screaming children to check his reaction.

cozzer - 04 Dec 2018 11:11:49 (#20 of 85)

quite easily one of the worst crimes imaginable

Oh, I think I can quite easily imagine worse ones.

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