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Started by fenderstrat on Dec 7, 2018 6:34:41 AM
Javid defends highlighting the ethnicity of Welsh grooming gangs

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/06/two-men-guilty-of-trafficking-girls-from-welsh-care-home

Or rather, he would have done if he had have done, the twat.

Nazir Azfal, former chief crown prosecutor for the north-west, said the case proved that child sexual exploitation was perpetrated by all ethnic groups.

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GyratingTrampoline - 07 Dec 2018 07:42:24 (#1 of 18)

Nazir's point is valid but his use of the word "proof" is not.

Racist people: all people who do <x> are members off group <a>.

Nazir Azfal: look, here is a member of group <b> who also does <x>. Therefore, people of all groups do <x>

BasilSeal - 07 Dec 2018 09:02:57 (#2 of 18)

I wonder why staunch supporter of abuse victims Stephen Yaxley Lennon wasn't videoing their trial?

ChankNolen - 07 Dec 2018 09:19:48 (#3 of 18)

'....said the case proved that child sexual exploitation was perpetrated by all ethnic groups'

Clutching at straws, much?

TrouserFreak - 07 Dec 2018 09:35:06 (#4 of 18)

I've got a lot of time for Nazir Azfal, he did a lot of good work on the Rotherham grooming gangs.

He's right that grooming gangs aren't more prevalent amongst any racial group. However, there don't appear to have been the same conspiracies and cover ups of non-Pakistani grooming gangs.

GyratingTrampoline - 07 Dec 2018 09:53:33 (#5 of 18)

You couldn't make it up!

bailliegillies - 07 Dec 2018 10:45:49 (#6 of 18)

Given the history of child sex abuse across the world I'd say that it crosses all national, ethnic, class and religious boundaries.

solomongursky - 07 Dec 2018 10:55:45 (#7 of 18)

So how come white Brits are over-represented in the paedophile league?

Rendered - 07 Dec 2018 10:59:40 (#8 of 18)

Because Britain has a majority white population. At a guess

GyratingTrampoline - 07 Dec 2018 11:00:30 (#9 of 18)

#7 Just because something is prevalent amongst all groups doesn't mean its prevalence is exactly equally in all these groups.

bailliegillies - 07 Dec 2018 11:07:10 (#10 of 18)

So how come white Brits are over-represented in the paedophile league?



Because White Brits make up around 80% of the population, so logistically there will be more white British abusers than Asian who only make up around 7%. It's also much easier to demonise the Asians than White British abusers, unless of course they're priests.

GyratingTrampoline - 07 Dec 2018 11:49:27 (#11 of 18)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overrepresented



overrepresented = having representatives in a proportion higher than the average

TRaney - 07 Dec 2018 12:05:45 (#12 of 18)

Just because something is prevalent amongst all groups doesn't mean its prevalence is exactly equally in all these groups.

Hilary there

Gotout - 07 Dec 2018 12:11:58 (#13 of 18)

Why can't they just say that there are good and bad across all races and people?

SinnerBoy - 07 Dec 2018 12:13:51 (#14 of 18)

Because that wouldn't feed into the racial hatred narrative of Yaxley-Lennon and his like. They want to blame all the ills of the nation on foreigners.

surferbaublewhatever - 07 Dec 2018 12:19:42 (#15 of 18)

I think how I feel about this depends on what they mean by ethnicity. If the intended message is "white people can abuse too" that's one thing, and probably a useful point to make; if it's "Welsh people can abuse too" then it still allows white people in England to think they're off the hook.

GyratingTrampoline - 07 Dec 2018 12:33:06 (#16 of 18)

I'm sure when I looked at the linked article this morning, it said that both the perpetrators where "irish travellers". Just checked again and it now says "from the travelling community".

One was from Wrexham, the other from Ellesmere port.

bailliegillies - 07 Dec 2018 13:38:21 (#17 of 18)

Because that wouldn't feed into the racial hatred narrative of Yaxley-Lennon and his like. They want to blame all the ills of the nation on foreigners.



I wonder if anyone has tried to explain the Yaxley-Lennon that is country became what it is because of foreigners and their national resources.

SheikYerbouti - 07 Dec 2018 13:54:04 (#18 of 18)

it still allows white people in England to think they're off the hook.

Show me someone who believes that no white English people are engaged in child abuse and I'll show you a bigot too stupid to be allowed out alone.

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