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Started by JacobReesBogg on Jan 28, 2019 1:55:03 PM
A New Scottish Referendum

Why doesn't Sturgeon just say "We're having another referendum after Brexit, we're not asking you we're telling you"

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TigerPaws - 28 Jan 2019 16:47:12 (#1 of 594)

Because the Scots are divided and with Salmond bringing down the party's reputation...

JacobReesBogg - 28 Jan 2019 16:53:15 (#2 of 594)

I can also see a bit of a problem with anybody suggesting a referendum.

FleurDuMal - 28 Jan 2019 16:53:59 (#3 of 594)

It would be a good way of calling May’s bluff though.

monkeymadchick - 28 Jan 2019 17:00:32 (#4 of 594)

Catalonia

thisonehasalittlehat - 28 Jan 2019 18:45:30 (#5 of 594)

They don't have the power do they. That's why. Also it's better to be denied by Westminster than to deny yourself.

rgtstoppedcounting - 28 Jan 2019 18:53:11 (#6 of 594)

Why doesn't Sturgeon just say "We're having another referendum after Brexit, we're not asking you we're telling you"

Because the polling keeps telling her she'd lose.

JacobReesBogg - 28 Jan 2019 19:25:38 (#7 of 594)

"Because the polling keeps telling her she'd lose."

Well there's a straight answer.

"They don't have the power do they. That's why. Also it's better to be denied by Westminster than to deny yourself."

What mimsy shite! Oooh we can't have a referendum because they won't let us?

What if that sans culottes had said "oooh we can't have a French Revolution cos it's against the law"

Did Lenin apply in triplicate to the local council before the Russian Revolution?

Is Nicola a lionheart or a Wee sleekit cowerin' timorous beastie?

thisonehasalittlehat - 28 Jan 2019 19:28:28 (#8 of 594)

What?

ChankNolen - 28 Jan 2019 19:59:03 (#9 of 594)

I wonder if the legal difficulties that the Catalans have got themselves into have influenced thinking on a unilateral declaration at all? When that blew up it flushed out some interesting commentary on where international law stands on unilateral declarations of independence, and in particular the need to show that all other avenues to achieve effective self-determination have been exhausted (I paraphrase slightly).

To be honest, the way a head of steam is building up behind English nationalism I see at least a possibility that it is the English who break free from the UK before Scotland organises its own referendum.

rgtstoppedcounting - 28 Jan 2019 20:02:02 (#10 of 594)

One way or the other, Berwick and Carlisle will regain their former greatness as smuggling entrepots and purveyors of booze & sex to bored soldiery.

TrouserFreak - 28 Jan 2019 20:05:41 (#11 of 594)

The SNP does seem to have a problem with taking 'no' for an answer.

YorenInTheNorth - 28 Jan 2019 20:07:18 (#12 of 594)

Careful.

BenSawbridg - 28 Jan 2019 20:11:19 (#13 of 594)

To be honest, the way a head of steam is building up behind English nationalism I see at least a possibility that it is the English who break free from the UK before Scotland organises its own referendum.

Nah. English nationalism is largely British.

TigerPaws - 29 Jan 2019 01:58:23 (#14 of 594)

Lenin's argument was that nationalism could interfere with the workers' revolution which required solidarity across ethnic and national divisions.

One solution could be a federal Republic of the British Isles.

machiavelli - 29 Jan 2019 05:03:25 (#15 of 594)

Shooting hundreds of thousands on suspicion of not being workery enough probably didn't do much for the workers either.

xDiggy - 29 Jan 2019 07:02:08 (#16 of 594)

the English who break free from the UK before Scotland organises its own referendum

The English are trying hard to break free from reality itself.

Brexit makes the risks to Scotland of independence even more horrendous than they were. But who could blame them from wanting out of the appalling possible futures facing the UK at present? If I lived there now I'd risk it.

TRaney - 29 Jan 2019 07:50:18 (#17 of 594)

There was a nice 3 minute encapsulation of independence politics in 2 Doors Down last night.

RosyLovelady - 29 Jan 2019 07:56:41 (#18 of 594)

The Brexitarians announced ahead of time that they would challenge a close referendum result if their side lost the vote. Have they ever explained why they think it would have been a bad idea for the Remainers to take the same attitude?

RosyLovelady - 29 Jan 2019 07:57:28 (#19 of 594)

Probably the wrong thread but I'll leave it there anyway.

xDiggy - 29 Jan 2019 07:57:55 (#20 of 594)

The Will.

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