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Started by bossab2 on Feb 12, 2019 3:57:19 PM
HM Gov advertises for min wage workers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47203050

Where are all the cheap immigrants! ?

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BenSawbridg - 12 Feb 2019 16:46:24 (#1 of 15)

You should get minimum wage staff to work on HMS bossab.

bailliegillies - 12 Feb 2019 17:07:51 (#2 of 15)

Where are all the cheap immigrants! ?



Gone home to earn some real money and be treated with respect!

IIIIII - 12 Feb 2019 17:10:13 (#3 of 15)

There's an advert from a hospital in Berlin at the moment in Polish making exactly that point to nurses - they get paid more, they get treated better and they get freedom of movement.

Gotout - 12 Feb 2019 17:24:20 (#4 of 15)

Perhaps if hospitals had fewer CEOs and senior managers on hundreds of thousands then they might be able to offer more pay at the lower end.

cozzer - 12 Feb 2019 17:27:53 (#5 of 15)

Well, it's easy enough to work out, isn't it? How many more nurses on £20,000 could you employ for one fewer senior manager on £200,000? (show your working).

On the other hand, is it feasible to run a large, complex enterprise like a hospital (with huge numbers of staff over disparate departments) without any senior managers?

bailliegillies - 12 Feb 2019 17:28:26 (#6 of 15)

Gotout, that's a major problem with British business/industry, far too many managers with too little experience of the business the work in. In Britain we favour people with paper qualifications rather than those who have a broad range of experience in the job(s) they are expected to do.

mememe - 12 Feb 2019 17:36:49 (#7 of 15)

You should try France if you think the UK is bad for that.

bailliegillies - 12 Feb 2019 17:46:34 (#8 of 15)

Done some contracts for French companies but never worked direct. Have done so for Italian, Norwegian and a South Korean and found them to be pretty well run and efficient in comparison to British companies.

GreenFuture - 12 Feb 2019 17:49:43 (#9 of 15)

Not really government jobs either in the main, if subcontracted through a range of vulture agencies and 3rd sector orgs constantly outbidding each other and not sure of long term funding. Just because the workers will be low paid, be sure that Serco won’t be.

Tadagee - 12 Feb 2019 17:49:54 (#10 of 15)

that's a major problem with British business/industry, far too many managers with too little experience of the business the work in.

As a senior manager working in a sector that I have no previous experience in I can confidently say 'yeah whatevs'.

mikeshadow - 13 Feb 2019 00:07:27 (#11 of 15)

How much sector experience a senior manager requires probably depends on their job function and/or the complexity of the business.

Tadagee - 13 Feb 2019 07:21:58 (#12 of 15)

Indeed. But this being uk news such nuance is simply not on.

FrankieTeardrop - 13 Feb 2019 10:48:25 (#13 of 15)

Depends what you're a senior manager of, too. If it is the IT/Technology department, it doesn't really matter what industry sector the firm is in, your skills and experience will be useful anyway.

IIIIII - 13 Feb 2019 10:50:10 (#14 of 15)

Management is a skill in itself, and having lots of experience in a particular sector can be a hindrance rather than a help as methods change.

FrankieTeardrop - 13 Feb 2019 11:59:02 (#15 of 15)

I suppose experience in adapting to different sectors is another useful thing to have.

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