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YorenInTheNorth - 09 Jun 2019 21:36:36 (#1 of 19)

I'd hope the UK Government would assume direct control of the situation if it's to involve naval confrontations.

Better we all head off to court first.

guigal - 10 Jun 2019 00:06:17 (#2 of 19)

That's strange. The link leads to this story: Judge frees man jailed for contempt

YorenInTheNorth - 10 Jun 2019 00:07:35 (#3 of 19)

Yeah, for me too but the article is in the links below.

guigal - 10 Jun 2019 00:09:22 (#4 of 19)

So it is. The following link goes straight to the fisheries story.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/rockall-scottish-will-board-irish-boats-if-they-refuse-to-leave-minister-1.3919838

machiavelli - 10 Jun 2019 06:27:19 (#5 of 19)

although the UK has claimed sovereignty over the area, it has never sought to claim the fishing rights now claimed by Scotland.

So the Scotnats are jumping the gun. Looks like they're nasty, narrow nationalists rather than cuddly Europeans after all.

Arjuna - 10 Jun 2019 06:52:29 (#6 of 19)

Ewing repeatedly said the Scottish government believes that fishing by Irish boats within a 12-mile zone around Rockall is illegal, a view strongly rejected by the Irish Government

This isn't really a huge issue, it's a tiny area in a huge ocean. Settle the matter in court but until that happens just leave things be. Irish boats have been fishing there for a long time and there is no need to kick off with "enforcement action" now. They will only make themselves look ridiculous.

Arjuna - 10 Jun 2019 06:57:03 (#7 of 19)

The UK made an official claim to Rockall in 1955 due to concern that the Soviet Union would use it as a base to spy on missile tests. Ireland never recognised the claim.

Either way it was never anything to do with fish.

Arjuna - 10 Jun 2019 07:00:08 (#8 of 19)

The UK does not make a claim to extended EEZ based on Rockall, as it has ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS); this says that "rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf". However, such features are entitled to a territorial sea extending 12 nautical miles. With effect from 31 March 2014, the UK and Ireland published EEZ limits which resolved any disputes over the extent of their respective EEZs

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall

SinnerBoy - 10 Jun 2019 08:01:50 (#9 of 19)

Ireland has a military squad, on permanent standby, ready for the day when the Marines can't get a squad on, within a year and and a day of the previous occupation.

browserbutton - 10 Jun 2019 08:43:01 (#10 of 19)

The SAS maintain a presence on Rockall -- usually their tiniest chaps, the Rory Stewart ones, disguised as puffins.

Arjuna - 10 Jun 2019 09:06:12 (#11 of 19)

And they have hollowed it out and built a base down there, it's like Tracy Island but with nuclear capacity.

HouseOfLametta - 10 Jun 2019 09:28:43 (#12 of 19)

- nuclear

+ Tea making

TommyDGNR8 - 10 Jun 2019 09:46:20 (#13 of 19)

there is no need to kick off with "enforcement action" now. They will only make themselves look ridiculous.

It's as close as they can get to doing a Falklands - it's all pre-election posturing to manipulate the public mood.

But picking a fight with Ireland, of all places, will probably lose them more support than they'll gain, certainly in the central belt.

YorenInTheNorth - 10 Jun 2019 09:48:34 (#14 of 19)

Could the UK block action taken by Scotland? I'd have though issues relating to our territorial waters would be a UK competence.

GyratingTrampoline - 10 Jun 2019 09:51:37 (#15 of 19)

This isn't really a huge issue, it's a tiny area in a huge ocean



The fish aren't evenly distributed though, you get seasonal "blooms" in shallow water I think

browserbutton - 10 Jun 2019 09:52:35 (#16 of 19)

to manipulate the public mood

Best not remind the fulminating gammon that Blighty fought three (3) Cod Wars against Iceland and LOST them all.

guigal - 10 Jun 2019 10:03:27 (#17 of 19)

The Scottish government is anticipating a Brexit binning of EU legislation and taking back control over 'our' fish.

Michael Creed Irish fisheries minister said that Ireland had a right to fish there under EU common fisheries law and that it had a quota known as Rockall Haddock Quota. (The Herald)

It's the Haddock War, then.

browserbutton - 10 Jun 2019 10:13:15 (#18 of 19)

Perhaps this is the future -- land-based aquaculture producing (in this case) king prawns in a sustainable way in SCOTLAND.

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/345912/

'While typical fish farming sees waste and chemicals pumped directly into the surrounding ocean, the land-based prawn farm says it will use a Recirculation Aquaculture System which cleans the majority of water used without contaminating the environment.'

Arjuna - 10 Jun 2019 10:21:14 (#19 of 19)

Could the UK block action taken by Scotland? I'd have though issues relating to our territorial waters would be a UK competence

The UK Government can veto it but it would be embarrassing for both if they had to intervene. I would guess a few phone calls are being made this morning.

According to wiki, there was an agreement made only five years ago by the UK and Irish Governments.

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