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Started by JohnIlly on Jun 10, 2019 3:07:58 PM
BBC calls the Tories' bluff on licence fee

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jun/10/bbc-confirms-plans-to-make-over-75s-pay-licence-fee

The BBC has confirmed plans to make most over-75s pay the TV licence fee, arguing that it is the only way to avoid closing channels and making substantial cutbacks.

Will the BBC get the blame?

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sympforthedevil - 10 Jun 2019 19:31:42 (#1 of 176)

Plenty of people in the media are placing the blame with the Tories, where it belongs : Osborne shifting the financial burden for paying for the free licenses onto the BBC as part of his 'big society' cost-cutting, which the Tories want to stick to.

Jacob_Richter - 10 Jun 2019 19:35:41 (#2 of 176)

Is that the Genius George Osborne or some other Osborne?

Jacob_Richter - 10 Jun 2019 19:37:12 (#3 of 176)

I expect the govt will stump up for the pensioners. After all, the Tory manifesto promised continued free licences......and they would never break a promise.

sympforthedevil - 10 Jun 2019 19:38:15 (#4 of 176)

Yes, George Osborne, the British Green Goblin.

xDiggy - 10 Jun 2019 19:41:33 (#5 of 176)

Serves them right for voting in the Tories.

bossab2 - 10 Jun 2019 20:01:10 (#6 of 176)

More pulling up the drawbridge.

xDiggy - 10 Jun 2019 20:58:18 (#7 of 176)

Laura Pidcock falls into the populist trap:

https://twitter.com/laurapidcockmp/status/11381170
83118604288?s=21


The BBC have said that they’ll end free TV licences for 3m over-75s. It will affect approx 4,600 households in my constituency. It’s a terrible decision which shows a BBC board out of touch with the real world, but the Govt’s fingerprints are all over this

How do you think they should fund it then Laura?

xDiggy - 10 Jun 2019 20:58:29 (#8 of 176)

With emotion?

xDiggy - 10 Jun 2019 21:01:49 (#9 of 176)

No doubt the Daily Mail et al will be full of similar tomorrow. If the BBC didn’t pay Gary Lineker £1.5M a year they could spend £700M on pensioners.

TommyDGNR8 - 10 Jun 2019 21:35:54 (#10 of 176)

The list of things earmarked for the axe if they'd decided to continue is interesting.

BBCs 2 & 4, Radio 5 Live...

JohnIlly - 10 Jun 2019 22:46:17 (#11 of 176)

The cost of a TV licence and the WFA should simply be added to the state pension. They would then be taxed for those earning more.

Tenesmus - 11 Jun 2019 00:54:26 (#12 of 176)

Free if you receive pension credit. Fair enough.

mikeshadow - 11 Jun 2019 02:35:17 (#13 of 176)

Afaic concerned it questions the concept of having a TV licence fee in the first place.

A public service should be funded from general taxation, not a household tax.

Also there are many people of all ages who are on very low incomes and/or benefits.

col2001 - 11 Jun 2019 06:48:37 (#14 of 176)

Agreed, mike.

Our tax and funding systems are archaic in many areas. They need addressing.

But every time something like this hits the news, funding from general taxation is immediately rejected by the usual suspects.

It's a shame. Some stuff being funded that way benefits the whole of society - whether or not individuals directly benefit.

Yet the mood is in favour of a consumerist model. Society? Fuck society.

JerkinMcGherkin - 11 Jun 2019 07:02:07 (#15 of 176)

Papers. The licence fee story makes front pages with the BBC painted as the villain.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48589919

Ginmonkey - 11 Jun 2019 07:10:27 (#16 of 176)

I suppose the thinking is on the licence fee if you don't want to pay the licence fee then you can opt out by not having a telly. Plenty of younger people do this simply by watching Netflix etc... on their laptops.

I think keeping free licenses for poorer pensioners and asking the rest to pay is a very fair solution.

I was astonished to read in the publicity on this said that the average age of a BBC viewer was 62.

But then I am well under that age and my BBC use these days is restricted to radios 4 and 6 and the odd news and drama programme.

bossab2 - 11 Jun 2019 07:38:01 (#17 of 176)

Us slightly older people also watch Netflix on our laptops as well...

xDiggy - 11 Jun 2019 08:09:40 (#18 of 176)

A public service should be funded from general taxation, not a household tax.

If it were the Tories would have been able to kill the BBC long ago.

xDiggy - 11 Jun 2019 08:14:14 (#19 of 176)

And let's remember that (like the winter fuel allowances) free TV licenses for the over 75s are not a longstanding pillar of Attlee's welfare state, but something brought in by Gordon Brown when (a) the Treasury was flush with cash and (b) he was trying to fix the political damage caused by the 75p pension rise. Times have changed since then, not least in that pensions have sharply increased and over 65s are practically the only demographic who have seen real income rises since 2010.

And look, look what they've inflicted on the rest of us via the ballot box.

machiavelli - 11 Jun 2019 08:17:25 (#20 of 176)

I was astonished to read in the publicity on this said that the average age of a BBC viewer was 62

But what was the standard deviation? ;-)

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