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Started by Policywatcher on Jun 12, 2019 6:06:01 PM
MI5 accused of extraordinary and persistent illegality

  • Claims admitted in outline by Sajid Javid
  • Getting warrants based on false information
  • Lost control of their data operations


So much for "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear"

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Policywatcher - 12 Jun 2019 18:06:09 (#1 of 156)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/11/mi5-in-court-accused-of-extraordinary-and-persistent-illegality

TrouserFreak - 12 Jun 2019 18:48:31 (#2 of 156)

Well if Corbyn gets his dream team in government we won't have to worry about the security services trying to keep us safe.

YorenInTheNorth - 12 Jun 2019 20:24:54 (#3 of 156)

Pretty worrying. Looks like they lost their grip of their own processes and systems.

diomu_II - 12 Jun 2019 20:28:31 (#4 of 156)

Did they ever have one?

YorenInTheNorth - 12 Jun 2019 20:29:05 (#5 of 156)

One would hope.

TrouserFreak - 12 Jun 2019 21:01:33 (#6 of 156)

Wheres the Guardian link to go with the thread?

tasselhoff - 12 Jun 2019 21:03:22 (#7 of 156)

Try reading the thread

phantlers - 12 Jun 2019 21:04:41 (#8 of 156)

Does any of this relate to May's time as HS?

DesEsseintes - 12 Jun 2019 21:08:20 (#9 of 156)

MI5 are far right scum? Who knew?

TrouserFreak - 12 Jun 2019 21:52:30 (#10 of 156)

Try reading the thread

Fair one.

TrouserFreak - 12 Jun 2019 21:56:02 (#11 of 156)

It's just Liberty & the Guardian doing its bit to undermine UK state institutions & security. Business as usual.

Policywatcher - 12 Jun 2019 21:57:20 (#12 of 156)

> TrouserFreak - 12 Jun 2019 21:01:33 ( #6 of 10)

> Wheres the Guardian link to go with the thread?

Post #1.

I try not to make the thread header too long

Policywatcher - 12 Jun 2019 22:00:24 (#13 of 156)

> TrouserFreak - 12 Jun 2019 21:56:02 ( #11 of 12)

> It's just Liberty & the Guardian doing its bit to undermine UK state institutions & security.

Or trying to ensure that they are properly held to account.

The US has started to admit that the mass surveillance never was that effective and are talking about axing much of it.

But the Brits and those who approve of authoritarian rule will take a bit more convincing of course.

It was only ever a panic response to 9/11 rather than any actual attempt to provide "security".

TrouserFreak - 12 Jun 2019 22:04:32 (#14 of 156)

It's going to take a bit more than a Guardian link about a speculative case by serial litigants Liberty to convince me that MI5 are doing this the wrong way.

The scale of the threat to the UK is unprecedented and I imagine their workload is astronomical. They should be empowered rather than hindered.

Policywatcher - 12 Jun 2019 22:20:51 (#15 of 156)

> TrouserFreak - 12 Jun 2019 22:04:32 ( #14 of 14)

> It's going to take a bit more than a Guardian link about a speculative case by serial litigants Liberty to convince me that MI5 are doing this the wrong way

I know, and since they are unlikely to ever come and crucify you or anyone you know personally, I have no interest in wasting time trying to convince you.

Though I would have thought that even you might express some concern if it turns out that they really are not in proper control over the data they collect.

machiavelli - 12 Jun 2019 22:22:48 (#16 of 156)

The scale of the threat to the UK is unprecedented

I must have dreamed the Cold War. And WW2? Pah - child's play.

TrouserFreak - 12 Jun 2019 22:53:12 (#17 of 156)

I must have dreamed the Cold War. And WW2? Pah - child's play.

The domestic threat to which the security services are responsible for. In case you really didn't realise that.

bossab2 - 12 Jun 2019 23:16:24 (#18 of 156)

Bollocks

The IRA were a persistent threat:

Including a couple of massive truck bombs in the City.

TrouserFreak - 13 Jun 2019 08:52:34 (#19 of 156)

Did anyone say anything about persistent threats?

The IRA posed a completely different threat to Islamist violence even if they were capable & motivated.

TrouserFreak - 13 Jun 2019 09:08:45 (#20 of 156)

I know, and since they are unlikely to ever come and crucify you or anyone you know personally, I have no interest in wasting time trying to convince you.

Seeing as how it is reported that MI5 are buckling under the sheer weight of extremists that they are having to investigate, I'd be suprised if they found the time to harass the good, honest folk that the Guardian are usually promoting.

Though I would have thought that even you might express some concern if it turns out that they really are not in proper control over the data they collect.

Well, we both have an idea of what data is generated, how it is generated, who stores it, owns it & what the problems with that are or could be. With the total absence of details in the Guardian article (it's always the Guardian, btw) it just looks like Liberty have identified an ambiguity in policy with which they've decided to generate an income from. It's ambulance chasing but instead of undermining the NHS, they're undermining the security services.

Don't you ever wonder why it's always the Guardian which is giving a platform to the different crooks looking to gouge cash out of the state or trash the reputations and operational effectiveness of different state institutions?

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