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Started by TinyMcSmith on Jul 10, 2019 11:42:23 AM
While Westminster bluffs and blusters, a UK recession looms

“Throughout my adult life, Britain’s political system has got by on bluff and bluster. On ever-cheaper credit for the masses and dark money for the party funders. On half-understood technocratic management by unelected officials and masterful presentational skills by the politicians. On a housing market that just kept rising like an impossible soufflé and the pretence that the Adults Were In Charge. Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair, David Cameron – all of them got by on versions of the same strategy.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul
/10/westminster-uk-recession-looms

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TinyMcSmith - 10 Jul 2019 11:42:46 (#1 of 138)

“It was always a cheat, and perhaps the one good thing about the poisonous 2016 referendum was how it illustrated how many people had sussed they were being conned. And now, under Johnson, the entire bluffers’ system is on the verge of disintegrating, with no glimmer at all of what may replace it.”

Bonusy - 10 Jul 2019 11:47:17 (#2 of 138)

perhaps the one good thing about the poisonous 2016 referendum was how it illustrated how many people had sussed they were being conned

Not sure it did that at all. It showed how many people were conned and conned again without sussing anything at all

GreenFuture - 10 Jul 2019 12:00:40 (#3 of 138)

People saw through the lies of a political elite by falling for the lies of a political elite.

mememe - 10 Jul 2019 12:01:37 (#4 of 138)

Deep.

TinyMcSmith - 10 Jul 2019 13:05:05 (#5 of 138)

People saw through the lies of a political elite by falling for the lies of a political elite.



I think that's a very good summary of it. Also Trump.

Also, only some people reacted this way. I always find it irritating when the media talk of such and such an area being a 'leave area', because it voted 55/45 for Brexit.

mememe - 10 Jul 2019 13:07:07 (#6 of 138)

Places get called Labour or Tory heartlands when less than half the vote goes to them though, so perhaps you ought to get a grip.

Moschops - 10 Jul 2019 13:39:39 (#7 of 138)

Not possible to get annoyed by that as well then?

mememe - 10 Jul 2019 13:52:19 (#8 of 138)

Well yes. But you'd end up being annoyed all the time, and not really achieve anything. What's the point in that?

Bonusy - 10 Jul 2019 14:01:45 (#9 of 138)

So in order to achieve anything you cannot be annoyed by anything? Surely an awful lot of mankind's achievements have resulted from someone being annoyed by their current situation

mememe - 10 Jul 2019 14:14:56 (#10 of 138)

Yeah - but this isn't that, is it? It's telling people you're annoyed at how other people describe other people's situations with regard to some mathematical and psephological nicety, not that your home keeps flooding so you invent a pump.

Isn't life too short?

Bonusy - 10 Jul 2019 14:16:51 (#11 of 138)

Ah right, so what you are saying is that only people who have solid plans to change things regardless of how anyone else feels are allowed to be annoyed, everyone else can just relax about anything they don't like

mememe - 10 Jul 2019 14:17:06 (#12 of 138)

No, that's plainly not what I am saying.

Bonusy - 10 Jul 2019 14:17:20 (#13 of 138)

Yes, it is

mememe - 10 Jul 2019 14:17:59 (#14 of 138)

But do get back to me when Tiny's moaning on here leads to a reform in the electoral system, and I'll happily admit I was wrong.

mememe - 10 Jul 2019 14:18:18 (#15 of 138)

Yes, it is

You can tell it isn't by the way I didn't say it.

Catspyjamas17 - 10 Jul 2019 14:26:30 (#16 of 138)

I didn't get the memo that moaning on here had to have a measurable outcome in the real world. Has JTS implemented Objective Manager for JTT?

mememe - 10 Jul 2019 14:30:19 (#17 of 138)

Another thing I didn't say. But you're right that it's just moaning and a little pointless. It was Tiny who said it was irritating him: just telling him it doesn't need to and it won't do him much good. That's all.

Moschops - 10 Jul 2019 14:31:30 (#18 of 138)

I'm sure he appreciates your compelling copy.

mememe - 10 Jul 2019 14:32:24 (#19 of 138)

I'm sure he does. Just as I appreciate your pass-agg sniping.

Bonusy - 10 Jul 2019 14:32:50 (#20 of 138)

Does it irritate you when people express dissatisfaction with things which they aren't empowered to change?

British people: "This weather is crap"

mememe: "Stop complaining, you aren't a weather god so you can't do anything about it"

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