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Started by LemonGrass on Jul 10, 2019 7:00:24 PM
Wot, no Kim Darroch thread?

Talk about it here.

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YorenInTheNorth - 10 Jul 2019 19:05:56 (#1 of 160)

It's a fucking disgrace.

The only silver lining is that May will get to appoint a professional rather than some idiot that the Brexiteers would have wanted in a few months.

machiavelli - 10 Jul 2019 19:09:15 (#2 of 160)

The leaker is an idiot. There is no conceivable public interest defence. The like of Farage, supposedly so keen on sovereignty, are happy enough for a foreign power to dictate to us which civil servants we send out.

True, a country is within it's rights to refuse accreditation but amongst sane countries, this is only done upon great provocation.

JerkinMcGherkin - 10 Jul 2019 19:14:26 (#3 of 160)

The leaker may find themselves in trouble. Isabel Oakshott has revealed a source to the police before. She is in bad odour with other journalists for doing so.

mememe - 10 Jul 2019 19:17:50 (#4 of 160)

The leaker is an idiot

Depends on their motivation. If they want to cause trouble for shits and giggle yes. If they want to fuck the UK and the international order by making everything just a little bit shitter and less stable, no.

quartus - 10 Jul 2019 19:27:53 (#5 of 160)

which leads to a question - if the likes of Julian Assange can hack their way into confidential communications, then probably so can the Russians, the Israelis, the Chinese, the NKs ... ad nauseam

(Whether all/any would have cause to is quite another matter)

barkis - 10 Jul 2019 19:29:41 (#6 of 160)

#5

Wasn't the wikileaks stuff available to thousands of low-level people like Chelsea Manning?

barkis - 10 Jul 2019 19:44:52 (#7 of 160)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul
/10/after-kim-darroch-britain-risks-becoming-vassal-to-united-states

Eligelis - 10 Jul 2019 19:48:15 (#8 of 160)

Presumably the forign secretary would have access to the confidential communications of ambassadors, or at least will have seen them?

Asking for a friend.

ChankNolen - 10 Jul 2019 19:48:55 (#9 of 160)

It's certainly bad on several levels, but I do think the aspect of this that is getting insufficient focus is why the US Ambassador felt the need to send diplomatic cables back to London making points that anyone could deduce from ten minutes' casual perusal of the Guardian US pages.

The broader point being that the FCO's entire model of grand, magisterial diplomacy is looking increasingly ill-suited for these connected times.

TRaney - 10 Jul 2019 19:48:56 (#10 of 160)

Whatever the rights and wrongs, his position was intenable. You can't have an ambassador that the country refuses to deal with. You can't force them to and you're not going to benefit from them being a lame duck.

FleurDuMal - 10 Jul 2019 19:52:40 (#11 of 160)

Those emails were sent during Bozo’s tenure as Foreign Secretary.

Just saying ...

carterbrandon - 10 Jul 2019 19:53:56 (#12 of 160)

#10: Which is why the fucker who made secret diplomatic communications public is an enemy of this country, and Johnson-supporting fuckers who justify the sanitisation of diplomatic communications are wilfully stupid, short-sighted, and malign.

And it fucking was a Johnson-supporting fucker. His side want to adopt Trumpism here. One of them has even tweeted 'drain the swamp' of people like Darroch.

barkis - 10 Jul 2019 19:54:40 (#13 of 160)

#9

Other papers would have given a different impression. The "grand, magisterial" diplomat on the spot is more reliable.

HouseOfLametta - 10 Jul 2019 19:55:25 (#14 of 160)

Or else it was Johnson himself. In which case he should be finished.

quartus - 10 Jul 2019 19:57:16 (#15 of 160)

#11 - Blimey!

TRaney - 10 Jul 2019 19:58:29 (#16 of 160)

I wonder who is going to 'volunteer' to be the fall guy?

TRaney - 10 Jul 2019 19:58:54 (#17 of 160)

They have to produce a culprit now

ChankNolen - 10 Jul 2019 19:59:52 (#18 of 160)

#11 Just to knock this one on the head, at least half the leaked cables are from June this year, so self-evidently didn't come from Boris:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/07/w
hat-kim-darroch-is-reported-to-have-said-about-trump


I was looking at the FCO ministerial team earlier to identify the possible culprit, but I also saw something today suggesting that these kinds of missives go on wide circulation - eg to all the FCO section heads, Cabinet Office etc. Which means in practice it will probably be impossible to work out who was the leaker.

As I said elsewhere, I'm not convinced it is that smart to be sending such pungent criticisms around Whitehall on what seems to be a very extensive circulation, essentially to point out the bleeding obvious.

mememe - 10 Jul 2019 20:00:33 (#19 of 160)

If Johnson was behind it (and I doubt it) and was anywhere near getting his hands dirty, then that Eton education was a total waste.

barkis - 10 Jul 2019 20:04:23 (#20 of 160)

#18

The Guardian says some of them would have been limited to 5-10 people.

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