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Started by DesEsseintes on Nov 6, 2019 11:02:35 AM
Oh Brexit Up Yours

the new day-glo Brexit thread

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DesEsseintes - 06 Nov 2019 11:26:38 (#1 of 323)

Brexit and climate change have energised young people - it's time to take our vote seriously - Joshua Curiel in The Independent

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-and-climate-change-have-energised-young-people-its-time-to-take-our-vote-seriously/ar-AAJWBqg

mingmong - 06 Nov 2019 11:35:47 (#2 of 323)

Brexit is a distraction. One might even say a decoy.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec
/11/brexit-distraction-real-problem-uk-clapped-out-economy-winden-manufacturing-production-base

xDiggy - 06 Nov 2019 12:03:15 (#3 of 323)

He's right that our economy has deep structural problems - this is what I was talking about on the Corbyn thread the other day. He's also right that the state could and should play a role in trying to improve things.

The suggestion that the UK, in 2019, could successfully follow an export-led manufacturing model based on protectionism and devaluation is utterly ludicrous.

xDiggy - 06 Nov 2019 12:04:21 (#4 of 323)

One might as well argue we could follow the growth model of the USA or Tsarist Russia by settling and exploiting vast tracts of wilderness populated only by poorly-armed tribes.

Bonusy - 06 Nov 2019 12:15:06 (#5 of 323)

So... you are saying that the plan to re-build the British Empire isn't necessarily a go-er this time round?

xDiggy - 06 Nov 2019 12:15:23 (#6 of 323)

I fear not.

clammy - 06 Nov 2019 12:20:47 (#7 of 323)

What no soup kitchens and work houses?

xDiggy - 06 Nov 2019 12:24:11 (#8 of 323)

Here's what I think.

You have to fight with the army you have. There's no point hankering for industries in which had a comparative advantage decades or more ago, or which stir romantic feelings in the soul. You can't recreate the past or conjure something from nothing. In particular the rise of China to superpower status has irrevocably changed the game. You need to focus on growing and spreading the parts of the economy that work and where the UK has advantages today.

We do have strengths, still. At base these are a good elite education system, a first-rate legal and regulatory environment, reasonable (by global standards) national infrastructure, a large reservoir of accumulated intellectual capital and the presence of one of the world's greatest financial markets.

Finance, law, technology, science-based industries, media, design, retail - these are world-class sectors. But the prosperity they generate is too limited in scope, heavily concentrated around the great metropolis of London and a few other university cities. The question is not how we diversify away from these strengths, but how we widen their base.

How to do this? Education - see the world 'elite' there. The inequalities in our education system remain shocking, and are not unrelated to the economic inequalities that mar our society. A more equal country would produce more people equipped to do highly-skilled jobs. Cities. London is not too big - the other cities are too small (Zipf's Law). We need to build up Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle, Cardiff. Towns like Lisa Nandy's Wigan need better connecting up to these places with transport and digital infrastructure. People in Guildford don't complain about being 'left behind'.

Oh, and remain in the EU and fight to strengthen the single market and extend it properly into the services at which we excel, rather than withdraw from it in a doomed attempt to go man-to-man with the USA and China or build a protected economic museum of the kind Austin Mitchell seems to aspire to.

NotACloggie - 06 Nov 2019 12:25:14 (#9 of 323)

Oh Brexit Up Yours

Poly Styrene!

Shadrack22 - 06 Nov 2019 12:32:46 (#10 of 323)

Ten easy points.

TrouserFreak - 06 Nov 2019 19:51:21 (#11 of 323)

I just dislike how the gammon-faced racist scum Brexit voters have polarised the debate with their divisive rhetoric.

StakludKar - 06 Nov 2019 21:20:56 (#12 of 323)

On just now

Panorama, David Dimbleby: How Brexit's Changed Britain: Http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000bggw via @bbciplayer

particularly special is Lisa from Merthyr Tydfil and Jenny from Hertfordshire. Also the Tory law student that authoritatively informs dimbers that actually Boris wasnt breaking the law when he prorogued parly, just testing its limits

AlanII - 06 Nov 2019 21:26:16 (#13 of 323)

#11 You are a tedious twat and I claim my free pint. Fuck off or come up with some better trolling.

TRaney - 06 Nov 2019 21:30:30 (#14 of 323)

I'm scared to look back to see if that is one of mine

HorstVogel - 06 Nov 2019 21:32:44 (#15 of 323)

Poly Styrene!



perfect!

SinnerBoy - 07 Nov 2019 03:26:02 (#16 of 323)

TrouserFreak -

I just dislike how the gammon-faced racist scum Brexit voters have polarised the debate with their divisive rhetoric.

A bit OTT, but the first vaguely accurate thing you've ever posted here.

lapsedcat - 07 Nov 2019 07:20:22 (#17 of 323)

I just dislike how the gammon-faced racist scum Brexit voters have polarised the debate with their divisive rhetoric.

I'm glad to see TF is coming around to our way of thinking at last.

Jacob_Richter - 07 Nov 2019 09:48:25 (#18 of 323)

POT

LomaxFairchild - 07 Nov 2019 09:56:21 (#19 of 323)

#8 Excellent post, xDiggy

xDiggy - 07 Nov 2019 12:51:12 (#20 of 323)

Thanks. I felt it was a bit under-appreciated.

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