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Started by GreenFuture on Jan 1, 2020 4:34:47 PM
The Premiership of A d'P B Johnson: 2020 Edition.

New thread.

Spoiler: He's still a prick.

How many people who fell for his shtick will go off him this year?

uranrising - 01 Jan 2020 16:38:20 (#1 of 1677)

It's nothing to do with judging people.

bailliegillies - 01 Jan 2020 16:42:23 (#2 of 1677)

How many people who fell for his shtick will go off him this year?

Will be interesting to see how quickly he loses his ability to waffle his way out of a situation. He's going to find that he's now the one in the seat of power, who is responsible for decisions made and he can't obfuscate any more with wiffle-waffle.

AlanII - 01 Jan 2020 16:46:07 (#3 of 1677)

How many people who fell for his shtick will go off him this year?

Not sure it matters. four or five years for those behind him to do what the fuck they want (which may or may not coincide with what he wants, who the fuck knows? Does he?).

uranrising - 01 Jan 2020 16:46:41 (#4 of 1677)

He's a British journalist so has the gift of the gab.

Macpaddy - 01 Jan 2020 16:46:42 (#5 of 1677)

You talk as if the voters are rational and thinking people. You'll be amazed at what believers will put up with.

AlanII - 01 Jan 2020 16:47:47 (#6 of 1677)

Indeed. A year is optimistic. More like eight is my optimistic reckon.

Gotout - 01 Jan 2020 16:50:18 (#7 of 1677)

Where's the competition though? He's a character and you can't say that for many politicians.

browserbutton - 01 Jan 2020 16:52:06 (#8 of 1677)

What will it feel like under Johnson?

uranrising - 01 Jan 2020 16:52:41 (#9 of 1677)

Is that supposed to be a useful characteristic for someone running a country? That they're a character?

AlanII - 01 Jan 2020 16:54:08 (#10 of 1677)

Appeals to a certain part of the electorate, apparently.

nemo75 - 01 Jan 2020 16:56:05 (#11 of 1677)

The PM really doesn’t ‘run the country’ we should probably be grateful for that.

Macpaddy - 01 Jan 2020 16:57:21 (#12 of 1677)

Gotout is a fan.

bailliegillies - 01 Jan 2020 16:57:39 (#13 of 1677)

He's a character

So are other world leaders but is Johnson in the same league as them. Trump yes but not sure about Putin, Xi Jinping, Merkel, Macron, Modi? We'll soon find out.

Tangent - 01 Jan 2020 17:02:36 (#14 of 1677)

On one level, one can see this honeymoon vanishing as rapidly as that after 1992, if the event is big enough - but I don't see it happening soon. One issue is that the Opposition didn't work out the right way to frame him. He needs to be seen to fail at something which voters regard as important to themselves, and it needs to be laid at his door.

HerrWalrus - 01 Jan 2020 17:05:25 (#15 of 1677)

You may not like Putin, but he is effective when he decides to get something done. BJ tends to have big plans - eg the Garden Bridge, Boris Island, stopping Heathrow expansion, the NI bridge - but often fails to follow through. He did get rid of the bendy bus though, so he sometimes does what he promises.

Gotout - 01 Jan 2020 17:05:47 (#16 of 1677)

The opposition aren't clever enough to catch him out, he's like Richard Nixon and he may well catch himself out in the same way.

uranrising - 01 Jan 2020 17:07:20 (#17 of 1677)


So Attlee,Macmillan,Thatcher, Major, Blair, Cameron - none were in any significant way running the country?

Macpaddy - 01 Jan 2020 17:09:01 (#18 of 1677)

If the opposition aren't clever enough to catch out a bumbling compulsive and blatant liar then they ought to hang their heads in shame.

AlanII - 01 Jan 2020 17:12:37 (#19 of 1677)

I think that some of them are, Starmer for example but, they are (all, not just Labour, I exclude the SNP because they are so stupidly parochial) in such a mess that I just can't see it happening anytime soon. Couple that with a media bending over backwards to promote the bumbling idiot and…

Tangent - 01 Jan 2020 17:13:13 (#20 of 1677)

Trump yes but not sure about Putin, Xi Jinping, Merkel, Macron, Modi? We'll soon find out.

He has (and I freely admit it) done much better than I thought he would. His conversations with other leaders at the G7 did go some of the way to preparing the deal. I think most leaders will treat him much as they do most British PMs. He will still not find it easy to get trade concessions, and will probably have some strange pivots to undertake. There will be times, at summits and the like, when he will act as if we are still members of the EU, and there will be times when one or other the sides emphasises the new distance for a specific purpose. But he is not going to be regarded the same way as Trump is.

Having said that, a situation where the US demands he makes a nuisance of himself in return for FTA concessions is not inconceivable.

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