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Started by col2001 on Jan 10, 2020 6:34:30 PM
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col2001 - 10 Jan 2020 18:34:44 (#1 of 96)

doffs cap to ming.

col2001 - 10 Jan 2020 18:35:38 (#2 of 96)

Is it a runner? Upsides, downsides, risks, rewards?

col2001 - 10 Jan 2020 18:37:20 (#3 of 96)

Is it a runner?

Is there a common anti-Tory programme which is sufficiently attractive to Labour, some LDs, Plaid, Greens, (SNP) to encourage them to go for it?

mingmong - 10 Jan 2020 18:46:06 (#4 of 96)

Count me in.

The main barriers to it are Labour tribalism (particularly WRT to electoral reform) and the SNP not wanting politics to work at a UK level.

Not sure what can be done about the SNP, but within Labour there people like Clive Lewis, Jonathan Ashworth and Angela Raynor who have been more inclined to reach out to other parties. They should supported and encouraged.

The jury is still out on whether it should take the form of a formal coalition/merger, or a more informal set of 'arrangements'.

mingmong - 10 Jan 2020 18:50:12 (#5 of 96)

Nandy and Reynolds are also in favour.

col2001 - 10 Jan 2020 19:05:05 (#6 of 96)

It does seem to me that there's a pretty obvious decent policy programme that could be put together.

The barrier seems mostly to be structural.

col2001 - 10 Jan 2020 19:05:52 (#7 of 96)

Another problem is how to sell it in such a way as to get past FPTP.

col2001 - 10 Jan 2020 19:10:40 (#8 of 96)

Then there's the issue of trust and betrayal.

In GE 2019, I winced at Swindon's never-Corbyn-as-PM line.

I understand why she/they felt they needed to say something. But it felt either fake or too nuclear. Made me think the LDs worried that voters wouldn't trust them (and Labour) to stick to a narrow agenda in government.

Perhaps an 'if-in-coalition' version of the Labour and LD manifestos night have reassured voters?

indlovubill - 10 Jan 2020 19:13:07 (#9 of 96)

Another problem is how to sell it in such a way as to get past FPTP.



Buy the Daily Mail, Mirror, Sun, Star, Express?

dottie30 - 10 Jan 2020 19:14:30 (#10 of 96)

The jury is still out on whether it should take the form of a formal coalition/merger, or a more informal set of 'arrangements'.



It should be simple.

Parties should stand down in seats they have no chance of winning.

Labour shouldn't be standing in most of the West Country for example.

The Lib Dems should not stand in most of the North East.

TommyDGNR8 - 10 Jan 2020 19:14:42 (#11 of 96)

"Progressive" is a dirty word. You'll need to rebrand.

moto748 - 10 Jan 2020 19:19:34 (#12 of 96)

It should be simple.

Parties should stand down in seats they have no chance of winning.

Labour shouldn't be standing in most of the West Country for example.

The Lib Dems should not stand in most of the North East.

It's oh so simple, if only us fools could see it!

What about the argument that a safe seat can soon morph into a marginal? We saw plenty of examples in the last GE.

Lets face it, we got the GE result we didn't like, so now everyone is talking about PR, as they do, when things don't go their way.

col2001 - 10 Jan 2020 19:23:39 (#13 of 96)

Moto - some of us have always wanted PR, on principle. I certainly have.

Verdigris - 10 Jan 2020 19:25:02 (#14 of 96)

so now everyone is talking about PR, as they do, when things don't go their way.



Some of us, who have been disenfranchised all their adult life by FPTP, have been banging on about electoral reform continuously for many a decade. The sooner the Tory-enabling Labour Party wither and die, the better. They are an irrelevance in the 21st century.

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dottie30 - 10 Jan 2020 19:36:38 (#16 of 96)

What about the argument that a safe seat can soon morph into a marginal? We saw plenty of examples in the last GE.



There should be no such thing as a safe seat. But the only way you can break the curse of FPTP is by standing down candidates in an arrangement. Then once the tories are out; we can start on electoral reform.

Put it this way, the Tories will be in for another decade at least without it. Longer if they get to start fucking about with boundaries, voting procedures and ID bollocks.

So it's either swallow a bit of pride and gift another party seats or accept you are likely to die under a Tory government.

BasilSeal - 10 Jan 2020 19:55:22 (#17 of 96)

Some of us, who have been disenfranchised all their adult life by FPTP,



Indeed, i think one of the reasons people felt so strongly about the result of the referendum was because for many, it was the first time they cast a vote and it counted for something

Verdigris - 10 Jan 2020 19:58:27 (#18 of 96)

it was the first time they cast a vote and it counted for something



A shame the whining Brexit cunts hadn't previously realised that their votes also count in the Euro elections. It's the only one I've ever "won". Twice.

moto748 - 10 Jan 2020 20:23:32 (#19 of 96)

Moto - some of us have always wanted PR, on principle. I certainly have.

Sure. But my point is, after a election result we don't like, we always get a spike of articles and opinion pieces about PR.

moto748 - 10 Jan 2020 20:26:21 (#20 of 96)

And a spike of threads here too. And what goes for PR also goes for 'progressive alliances'.

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