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Started by mikeshadow on Feb 13, 2020 2:30:40 AM
75th anniversary of VE Day - extended pub hours

Pubs, clubs and bars, which are licensed to trade until 11pm, will be allowed to open for an additional two hours, on Friday 8 May and Saturday 9 May from 11am until 1am the following morning, to mark the anniversary.

The order, laid in Parliament today, will also apply to premises licensed to provide entertainment such as music, dances, plays and films.

Commemorations and community events will be held across the country to remember the heroism of British, Commonwealth and Allied armed forces personnel and the contribution of ordinary citizens to the war effort.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pub-hours-extended-to-mark-75th-anniversary-of-ve-day

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guigal - 14 Feb 2020 14:23:21 (#85 of 104)

Hence brexit.

Wartime bombing would be a perverse reason for leaving the EU, which guarantees peace among members of the association. The drum to which Brexiters march beats to the sound of threats against our neighbours. Sink their fishing boats, capture Spanish ships off Gibraltar, shoot down their planes, smash the EU economy.

Heckler - 14 Feb 2020 14:24:42 (#86 of 104)

I guess reduction in military numbers.



Certainly a factor in the decline of a number of garrison towns.

SinnerBoy - 14 Feb 2020 14:26:15 (#87 of 104)

I knew Plymouth had it hard, but had thought that Sunderland had the worst of it. There are news stories on the subject.

Sunderland was the world's largest ship producer, back then. A lot of the town was flattened, but the Nazis did do much damage to the docks and shipyards, which were the actual targets.

HouseOfLametta - 14 Feb 2020 14:28:31 (#88 of 104)

Hull was pretty comprehensively destroyed, a lot of these places were on the way to or back from other places and just got unloaded on.

Hull's the only place I know with an authentic bombsite.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-44942592

solomongursky - 14 Feb 2020 15:34:48 (#89 of 104)

Leytonstone got bombed in both World Wars so Manchester isn't fit to clean Leytonstone's boots.

FGBFGB - 14 Feb 2020 15:50:14 (#90 of 104)

Clydebank suffered the greatest proportion of housing damaged and destroyed.

solomongursky - 14 Feb 2020 15:51:37 (#91 of 104)

I always thought it was Stepney. 30%.

HouseOfLametta - 14 Feb 2020 15:52:13 (#92 of 104)

As I said.

A competitive business.

DesEsseintes - 14 Feb 2020 16:02:49 (#93 of 104)

They even had a go at Withernsea for some reason. You can still see the bullet holes in the walls.

HouseOfLametta - 14 Feb 2020 16:05:22 (#94 of 104)

The lighthouse I imagine, a lot of bombing in the war was based on being able to see something. Anything.

solomongursky - 14 Feb 2020 16:13:45 (#95 of 104)

Glasgow suffered the highest number of fatalities (about 650), but in proportion to its population of about 50,000 the burgh of Clydebank suffered the worst. According to an official count in 1942 the Clydebank raids killed 528 people

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/learning/fe
atures/the-clydebank-blitz-13-15-march-1941

DesEsseintes - 14 Feb 2020 16:13:51 (#96 of 104)

I suppose so. The lighthouse in the middle of the village. The pier would have already gone by then.

HouseOfLametta - 14 Feb 2020 16:17:06 (#97 of 104)

My little hometown had 200odd killed and several streets obliterated because it was easy to find on the railway and great North road.

Exeter was easy to locate and reasonably lightly defended and suffered awful damage including bombing the maternity hospital.

Not a patch on what happened in Germany or Poland, obv.

JohnIlly - 14 Feb 2020 16:32:45 (#98 of 104)

The lighthouse I imagine, a lot of bombing in the war was based on being able to see something. Anything.

Hence the success of the Starfish decoy sites in persuading the Germans to bomb empty moorland.

HouseOfLametta - 14 Feb 2020 16:35:21 (#99 of 104)

I remember reading about a 200 bomber raid on Bristol, reported as a huge success, the docks on fire and AA fire very limited. Several aircraft lost to fighters.

There was no report of any raids in the UK that night, and there weren't even sirens sounded in Bristol. I sometimes wonder where or what got it.

JohnIlly - 14 Feb 2020 17:47:02 (#100 of 104)

Probably this: http://www.discoveringblackdown.org.uk/starfish

I would have expected sirens to have been sounded, though, unless they bombed a decoy miles away.

InternationalVicar - 14 Feb 2020 19:23:55 (#101 of 104)

Didn't the Clydebank raid prevent the imminent shipyard strike? Nobody had a home to go to, and there was very evidently a war on, so they went back to work and stayed there.

ChankNolen - 14 Feb 2020 19:28:54 (#102 of 104)

Bristol and Coventry both good demonstrations of the ease with which you could set a mediaeval town centre on fire. See also (but more so) Hamburg, Darmstadt etc.

Berlin, by virtue of having wide boulevards and lots of green space, stubbornly refused to burn.

It's a shame Rgt doesn't post anymore, he was always worth arguing with on the efficacy of area bombing.

DesEsseintes - 14 Feb 2020 19:43:44 (#103 of 104)

Must go to Coventry again one day some day.

HouseOfLametta - 14 Feb 2020 20:00:54 (#104 of 104)

Years ago I had to go to Coventry for a three day course with a colleague.

He was a nice enough chap but a real Ledge Bants Rugger Bugger Bastard type, and We didn't have much in common.

I insisted we went to the cathedral, I'd always wanted to see it, and. I was fairly convinced my request would freak him out a bit, which was important. I take my entertainment where I can.

We went, and I have to say it's an impressive and remarkable building. I like a modern church, and as a statement of rebuilding and reconciliation it is powerful.

I wandered around looking at the glass and strange jaggedy embroidered things and whatever. My workmate looked bored and lost.

Eventually I saw him reading a plaque, and I heard a strange, strangled noise.

He'd completely gone, sobbing, great choked sobs, snot everywhere, I had to sit him down fast.

We spent the evening in the hotel bar, with him telling me all about his family, and boarding school and all the small tragedies and lonlinesses of his life, and, crucially, paying.

The next day he was back to normal, and I was sworn to secrecy.

Extraordinary.

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