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Started by FleurDuMal on Jul 31, 2020 8:48:57 AM
Outsourcing: the cursed gravy train.

The Tory obsession with outsourcing costs the country a fortune and delivers very little. I can't think of a single area where this has worked better than in-house delivery. Here's an example:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul
/31/outsourcing-england-test-trace-nhs-private

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FleurDuMal - 31 Jul 2020 08:58:11 (#1 of 30)

Another example. The roads on our estate are currently being 'surface dressed' (euphemism for gravel surfacing that causes accidents to cyclists and damage to car paintwork). The council have outsourced. We have a large open area opposite our house, where the contractors are parking machinery (including vans). Over the last five days, we've seen guys sitting in vans for hours at a time and the actual work only being done for four-five hours per day. The council have no doubt contracted this work to a company who have quoted a price for five days, but could have done the work in half the time. In what way is this supposed to be better than having council employees on the payroll to do this sort of thing?

Agaliarept - 31 Jul 2020 10:05:24 (#2 of 30)

I can't think of a single area where this has worked better than in-house delivery.

Are you just talking about government here?

RosyLovelady - 31 Jul 2020 10:07:49 (#3 of 30)

Surely the chief purpose of privatisation is to make more money for the ready-rich.

FleurDuMal - 31 Jul 2020 10:23:46 (#4 of 30)

Yes, I’m sure someone’s making money out of it.

browserbutton - 31 Jul 2020 10:24:35 (#5 of 30)

Mmm... a train full of lovely gravy.

Rendered - 31 Jul 2020 10:24:56 (#6 of 30)

The Nursery Slop Express!

tasselhoff - 31 Jul 2020 10:27:08 (#7 of 30)

So it's fit for purpose. It makes our overlords richer.

Tinymcsmithy - 31 Jul 2020 10:31:17 (#8 of 30)

Yes but Blair got elected three times, so it must be good.

According to our centrist friends.

bailliegillies - 31 Jul 2020 11:13:09 (#9 of 30)

It makes our overlords richer.



The problem with being rich is that it's never enough, they always want more.

browserbutton - 31 Jul 2020 11:17:49 (#10 of 30)

In the end they get so rich, they become philanthropists.

bailliegillies - 31 Jul 2020 11:22:32 (#11 of 30)

Aye but they still want more.

RosyLovelady - 31 Jul 2020 11:24:29 (#12 of 30)

So that they can brag about the amount they give away.

tasselhoff - 31 Jul 2020 11:24:54 (#13 of 30)

Be wary of billionaires bearing gifts https://www.wired.com/story/wired25-jennifer-pahlka-anand-giridharadas-philanthropy-democracy/

FleurDuMal - 31 Jul 2020 11:25:12 (#14 of 30)

Are you just talking about government here?

Pretty much, yes.

Tomnoddy - 31 Jul 2020 11:27:19 (#15 of 30)

Including local.

FleurDuMal - 31 Jul 2020 11:28:06 (#16 of 30)

Yes, definitely.

Cordelia - 31 Jul 2020 11:32:19 (#17 of 30)

Outsourcing can work brilliantly in the private sector but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a government outsource contract that’s actually worked properly and not cost a fortune yet.

I can only assume it’s because they’re operating with other people’s money that they’re just so bloody useless/incompetent/careless/willing to be overcharged.

Rendered - 31 Jul 2020 11:34:37 (#18 of 30)

Having worked with Crapita in various different settings, they should all be dumped in the sea.

bailliegillies - 31 Jul 2020 12:11:55 (#19 of 30)

I can only assume it’s because they’re operating with other people’s money that they’re just so bloody useless/incompetent/careless/willing to be overcharged.



Lazy and clueless negotiating contracts. Failure to cost contract before putting it out to tender and going for lowest bid without proper scrutiny.

Verdigris - 31 Jul 2020 12:31:43 (#20 of 30)

Having worked with Crapita in various different settings, they should all be dumped in the sea.



I used to work for an agency doing work for G4S, some of which was a contract for Crapita.

I still feel unclean, now.

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