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Started by GreenFuture on Jul 31, 2020 6:17:43 PM
Communist Party Centenary.


August 1st marks the great day. The Morning Star will feature a 32 page supplement, you lucky bastards.

I shall refrain from critique here and now, but interested in thoughts on the long road to a leftist utopia, and the relevance of a Marxist / Leninist party in this pandemic age.

Could we keep an eye on dissenters please. I shall compile a list anon, for purposes of general denouncement and forwarding to appropriate commissars.

Thanks as ever, Comrade GF

Jacob_Richter - 31 Jul 2020 19:34:42 (#1 of 216)

There could be an interesting discussion (there won't be because of trolls...socialism hasn't been tried properly fna, fna, fna) about how a party was formed of revolutionaries that then followed the USSR through the degeneration of the 1920's and counter-revolution of 1929 in to becoming the mouthpiece of Soviet foreign policy through its tortuous twists and turns, becoming another Western social-democratic party after WW2 and eventually ending up to the Right of Tony Blair.

That said, a good many good individuals passed through its ranks. Off the top of my head, in this instant, it's the historians who stand out as the CP's most lasting legacy....and most of them were dissidents.

the relevance of a Marxist / Leninist party in this pandemic age.

The pandemic is neither here nor there. Of course there's a relevance for Marxism - how else is one to understand capitalism? I think Lenin as a strategist has something to offer - not least that we need an organisation, a party capable of uniting ideas, experiences and practice. Leninism has/had nothing to do with Lenin - having been invented after he died by Zinoviev.

kvelertak - 31 Jul 2020 19:44:49 (#2 of 216)

What is to be done?

- Watch Yanis Varoufakis videos, think 'mmm, he's got good points to make, shame he has no practical suggestion of how - concretely - to get from here to there', and watch one's hair greying.

Tinymcsmithy - 31 Jul 2020 20:02:38 (#3 of 216)

LolZ teH cOmmUnistsms nEvEr beEn a ReaL cOmmUnisT couNtry. CoRbYniStAs!!!! TEH LolZ!!!!!

Tinymcsmithy - 31 Jul 2020 20:07:41 (#4 of 216)

More seriously.

The British communist party was always a puppet of the USSR and a genuine drag on true left wing ans progressive movements.

If it couldn’t control a movement, it disrupted it, or formed its own rival organisations.

In many ways it was inherently reactionary and perhaps responsible for stifling progress as much as the British government.

This was Europe wide, of course. Spain during the civil war being the most destructive example.

thismorning - 31 Jul 2020 20:25:09 (#5 of 216)

No trolls you say? Nevermind.

Taborite - 31 Jul 2020 20:28:53 (#6 of 216)

The Communist Party was only effective when it organised the National Minority Movement, essentially a left wing of the trades unions but they pissed it all away when the Soviets initiated the Third Period.

redginger - 31 Jul 2020 20:30:41 (#7 of 216)

On 26th May 1979, The British Communist Party went to Calais to protest against the Common Market. They had organised a march through the streets with a jazz band and a reception with the Communist Mayor.When they arrived they heard the march had been called off because of bad weather, nor would the jazz band be arriving.They then realised they had left their banner in the coach at Dover, and no-one would know what they were demonstrating about. Anyway, despite this they decided to hold a short march to the meeting hall, but the venue had been changed, and they would only be marching across the road. "It's not worth marching" said Mr. Temple, the organiser. He then announced that the mayoral reception was off, as a delegation of Football referees came first. An evening with the Calais Young Communists was cancelled because they wanted to have a meeting instead.Mr. Temple said it had been a bit of a mess all round.

FGBFGB - 31 Jul 2020 20:48:07 (#8 of 216)

#4. Or the KPD's enmity towards democratic parties which enabled the Nazis to gain power in 1933.

Jacob_Richter - 31 Jul 2020 20:50:44 (#9 of 216)


Yes - although the KPD is not the CPGB. The SPD also helped the Nazi rise to power by its refusal to break the law at the moment the law was being used to break the SPD. Both parties of the German Left were culpable.

FGBFGB - 31 Jul 2020 20:51:23 (#10 of 216)

They fucked up the ILP in the 1930s nearly as badly as the ILP fucked itself up.

Hilary - 31 Jul 2020 21:00:55 (#11 of 216)

Interesting that the CPGB was founded in the same year as the equally progressive NSDAP.

Lagopus - 31 Jul 2020 21:14:50 (#12 of 216)

I spent several happy years in the CPGB and met many loyal and devoted comrades. OK, most of them were to all intents and purposes flat out bonkers, but I miss them all the same.

champagnerocker - 31 Jul 2020 21:15:21 (#13 of 216)

Say what you like about the commies, they love a good acronym.

FGBFGB - 31 Jul 2020 21:19:06 (#14 of 216)

The CPB was only founded in 1988 and the CPGB dissolved itself in 1991. So this is the centenary of the establishment of the CP in Great Britain, but that party no longer exists. It's a bit much for a party espousing scientific Marxism to claim apostolic succession.

Hilary - 31 Jul 2020 21:27:22 (#15 of 216)

Not really. Scientific Marxism is a Christian heresy after all.

GreenFuture - 31 Jul 2020 21:32:17 (#16 of 216)


I knew I was falling into a trap but didn’t refresh myself as to details of the split.

Someone brought it up in FB but it was too late to change the OP.

What was the cause of the split again?

Jacob - I think the pandemic does count because of the extreme of the capitalist crisis.

Eg the US stock market has risen in a period seeing a 32 percent drop in GDP

I’ll probably come back to this.

More generally, I don’t like the CP line on leaving the EU, I find it naive. Not that I really carry a torch for the EU per se, but I’m an ‘Another Europe Is Possible’ type, and an interested in any links on the euro communist movement of yore.

FGBFGB - 31 Jul 2020 21:40:27 (#17 of 216)

Tankies vs Eurocommunists, I think

kvelertak - 31 Jul 2020 21:53:19 (#18 of 216)

I get much email from AEIP, but haven't been to one of their events yet. After we crash out with no deal, and if my local Green party's target ward strategy doesn't budge, I'll engage more with AEIP.

StakludKar - 31 Jul 2020 21:57:35 (#19 of 216)

The British Communist Party went to Calais to protest against the Common Market. They had organised a march through the streets with a jazz band and a reception with the Communist Mayor.

The Mayor at Calais is National Front/ Renaissance now

Shadrack22 - 31 Jul 2020 22:06:03 (#20 of 216)

Communist Party Centenary

Is there a list of the party’s achievements? Anything tangible they’ve achieved to improve people’s lives. That kind of thing.

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