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Started by HerrWalrus on Aug 24, 2020 12:35:36 PM
Extremist virtue-signalling BBC to drop Rule Britannia from Last Night of the Proms

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/aug/23/bbc-considers-dropping-rule-britannia-from-last-night-of-the-proms

Rule Britannia and Land of Hope of Glory were among the “crudely jingoistic texts” singled out for criticism by the classical music critic Richard Morrison in a column for BBC Music Magazine last month. He wrote that given the restrictions necessitated by the pandemic, “there will never be a better moment to drop that toe-curling, embarrassing, anachronistic farrago of nationalistic songs that concludes the Last Night of the Proms.”

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HerrWalrus - 24 Aug 2020 12:38:00 (#1 of 534)

The traditional flag-waving anthems Rule Britannia and Land of Hope of Glory could be dropped from the Last Night of the Proms because of their perceived links with colonialism and slavery.

The BBC is reportedly considering whether to axe the patriotic staples in the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests, and the Covid restrictions are seen as an opportunity to make the change.

darkhorse - 24 Aug 2020 13:14:37 (#2 of 534)

“Toe-curling, embarrassing, anachronistic farrago” seems a pretty accurate description.

I, for one, don’t want my license fee squandered on jamborees of jingoism for red-faced flag-waving Billy Britains.

They are of course free to bellow five hundred verses of Rule Britannia at events they organise themselves though.

nemo75 - 24 Aug 2020 13:16:17 (#3 of 534)

I thought the last night of the proms was a joke when I first saw it as a youngster. My mother was appalled.

Arjuna - 24 Aug 2020 13:17:56 (#4 of 534)

“The lyrics are just so offensive, talking about the ‘haughty tyrants’ – people that we are invading on their land and calling them haughty tyrants"

Rule Britannia was written during the War of Jenkins Ear, so I am guessing it refers to the King of Spain. The war was never about invading his land, it was about the right to trade with Spanish colonies although that did include the slave trade.

TheExcession - 24 Aug 2020 13:21:48 (#5 of 534)

"people that we are invading on their land and calling them haughty tyrants""

It's a pretty honest description of plenty of the places Britain invaded. They weren't bastions of freedom and democracy. Granted, British rule might not have been much better.

FleurDuMal - 24 Aug 2020 13:23:32 (#6 of 534)

“Toe-curling, embarrassing, anachronistic farrago” seems a pretty accurate description.

It does. The lyrics of both of those are nasty and jingoistic.

harryhaller - 24 Aug 2020 13:26:32 (#7 of 534)

Elgar is supposed to have said that he regretted writing it, or with time found it embarrassing.

Anyone know exactly what he said?

Verdigris - 24 Aug 2020 13:31:57 (#8 of 534)

Meow.

FleurDuMal - 24 Aug 2020 13:32:32 (#9 of 534)

Elgar wrote the music - it was A C Benson who wrote the lyrics afterwards.

machiavelli - 24 Aug 2020 13:33:23 (#10 of 534)

Banning things because one's mother is horrified is rather Victorian.

FleurDuMal - 24 Aug 2020 13:33:39 (#11 of 534)

Germany dropped the verse that contained 'Deutschland Uber Alles' after the war, so I can't really see why the UK feels the need to continue using songs with a similar sentiment.

machiavelli - 24 Aug 2020 13:35:33 (#12 of 534)

Anyone would think that the audience left the proms and embarked on a porgrom after they left the Royal Albert Hall.

mancurse - 24 Aug 2020 13:36:48 (#13 of 534)

We can now add "What do you think of the decision to drop Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory from the last night of the Proms?" to the Flush Out The Brexiters list of questions.

Others on my list so far are: "what do you think of..."

Donald Trump?

Greta Thunberg?

Black Lives Matter?

Wearing a mask?

dottie30 - 24 Aug 2020 13:38:11 (#14 of 534)

I have been to Last Night once. Firm I worked for was a corporate sponsor. It's not the most refined of evenings - even during the less contentious first half. The Dr Who prom (which I also attended that year) had a more respectful audience. And they were all around 7 years old.

CaptainBlack - 24 Aug 2020 13:38:34 (#15 of 534)

Gammon suitably triggered by this. Always hated it, along with the flag-waving Tory twats in the audience.

Arjuna - 24 Aug 2020 13:39:34 (#16 of 534)

Germany dropped the verse that contained 'Deutschland Uber Alles' after the war, so I can't really see why the UK feels the need to continue using songs with a similar sentiment.

Is ruling the waves the same as ruling everything?

FleurDuMal - 24 Aug 2020 13:40:27 (#17 of 534)

Metaphorically, yes.

Tagyourit - 24 Aug 2020 13:42:25 (#18 of 534)

The Dr Who prom (which I also attended that year) had a more respectful audience. And they were all around 7 years old.

Saw that on telly it looked great, I'm quite jealous.

I'd have liked to have gone to he Public Service Broadcasting show at the 2019 proms.

Arjuna - 24 Aug 2020 13:43:23 (#19 of 534)

Its a bit King Canute really, although waves are different to tides.

machiavelli - 24 Aug 2020 13:48:05 (#20 of 534)

What's wrong with waving flags?

https://www.lusakatimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Solwezi-Independence-celebrations-3.jpg

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